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3 hours ago, FTOF said:

Least exciting?  A pacey wide player who is over six feet. Quite exciting to me. Not the type of player we've had before.

If Robinson is true to form in terms of his recruitment then you'll see a pile of these types of players turning up.

His whole thing at Motherwell (and Morecambe I suspect based on the bits and pieces I read) was finding players who have raw attributes (pace, physicality etc) with the view that he can coach them to make them better. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Petravicius, Ariyibi, Hylton, Long, Seedorf, Cole, Manzinga, Ilic, Ndjoli, Aarons...take your pick.

You look through the list of signings he made for us (there were a lot) and the common theme for forwards was:

  • “He’s got pace to burn, has an incredible work rate and can play anywhere across the front three, which will give us plenty of variety going forward.”
  • “He will bring even more pace and energy to our front line and he will give us options across all of the three forward positions.”
  • "is quick, strong and gives us an option all across the forward line,” 

This is what Robinson said about Ayunga when he signed for Morecambe last year:

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“I’m delighted, Jonah’s a boy I’ve kept tabs on since Bristol Rovers signed him and he has a lot of good attributes,” Robinson said.

“He is a big, strong boy, he can run in behind, and there are aspects of his game we know we can improve, he’s still young and there’s a lot of potential in him."

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I'm sure I've posted this on here before but if you listen to this interview with him he outlines his approach to recruitment and what he looks for in a player at around 19 mins 50 secs: "Pace is my first and foremost in recruitment."

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11 hours ago, Buddiesaint said:

Least exciting signing of the 4 to me. A quick look says he's hardly prolific. Not coming in to be first choice on the team sheet, You'd hope.

Decent enough age and has a relationship with Robinson though so at least there's that. Has also  already shown Robinson that he'll cover RW if needed. 

 

Watch him bang in 20+ goals including a hattrick against Celtic in the Scottish Cup final to make me look like a mug.

 

From the article, it describes him as a wide player, not as an out and out striker. 

There have been plenty of players who have came up to Scotland and made a bigger impact than some of the guys who have come from a higher tier.

I trust from the manager not long leaving the English game at that level and already had experience managing in the Scottish Prem, he has a good understanding of the type of player required and if they have the right mentality.

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15 minutes ago, Doonhame Buddie said:

Morecambe are retaining Jon Obika but happy to release Jonah Ayunga. Does that tell us anything about the relative merits of the two players? 

Im sure he's been made available for transfer too?

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39 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

 "Pace is my first and foremost in recruitment."

I see he uses my strategy for recruiting players in FIFA! If you can't reach the ball first, it's irrelevant how technically good you are.

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2 hours ago, Ric said:

Who knows how he'll turn out, although I'd be very very surprised if he is at Charles-Cook level as some have hinted at.

Worth noting that Charles-Cook was pretty poor in his first season. A lot of players need some time to settle in and fans can often have them judged after a game or two.

I remember a player coming off the bench for his debut in the mid 90s. Within a few minutes, he'd taken a touch of the ball, lost his balance and fallen over. "HE'S SHITE", came a shout behind me. The player had been on the park for a matter of minutes. That player was Jim Gardner, so the moral of the story is that sometimes fans' early judgements are accurate.

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7 minutes ago, houston_bud said:

A lot of players need some time to settle in and fans can often have them judged after a game or two.

Expectation management is not a phrase I associate with our fanbase! :lol:

..but you are right, we shouldn't judge too early, best to wait until much later when a striker has notched up just one league goal all season.. ;)

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Hopefully if we do sign this guy, Robinson’s interview on the club website does indeed read ‘He’s a lad I know well, he’s pacy, can play in a couple of positions, is ready for the step up and will certainly add to the group we already have here’.

If however, Robinson’s interview reads ‘I appreciate no-one up here has heard of the big diddy, but who the fcuk do you think we’re going to sign, Haaland or Mbape? Moaning faced cnuts’.….

….then I may well be delighted at his candour and be completely shocked in equal measure. 😀

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13 hours ago, Buddiesaint said:

Least exciting signing of the 4 to me. A quick look says he's hardly prolific. Not coming in to be first choice on the team sheet, You'd hope.

Decent enough age and has a relationship with Robinson though so at least there's that. Has also  already shown Robinson that he'll cover RW if needed. 

 

Watch him bang in 20+ goals including a hattrick against Celtic in the Scottish Cup final to make me look like a mug.

 

Have family season ticket holders at Morecambe will get some feedback and post it . 

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1 hour ago, houston_bud said:

Worth noting that Charles-Cook was pretty poor in his first season. A lot of players need some time to settle in and fans can often have them judged after a game or two.

I remember a player coming off the bench for his debut in the mid 90s. Within a few minutes, he'd taken a touch of the ball, lost his balance and fallen over. "HE'S SHITE", came a shout behind me. The player had been on the park for a matter of minutes. That player was Jim Gardner, so the moral of the story is that sometimes fans' early judgements are accurate.

A game or 2? Is this the same St Mirren I know. A minute or 2 would be more accurate!

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2 hours ago, Doonhame Buddie said:

Morecambe are retaining Jon Obika but happy to release Jonah Ayunga. Does that tell us anything about the relative merits of the two players? 

No. Neither are being released as they both have a year on their deals remaining. Both were made available for transfer by the club and we've chosen to sign Ayunga. Simple as that, really.

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2 hours ago, houston_bud said:

Worth noting that Charles-Cook was pretty poor in his first season. A lot of players need some time to settle in and fans can often have them judged after a game or two.

I remember a player coming off the bench for his debut in the mid 90s. Within a few minutes, he'd taken a touch of the ball, lost his balance and fallen over. "HE'S SHITE", came a shout behind me. The player had been on the park for a matter of minutes. That player was Jim Gardner, so the moral of the story is that sometimes fans' early judgements are accurate.

Best one I remember was Steve Galloway coming over from Sweden, in the (good old?) days before the internet and no-one knew nothing about anything or anyone until they turned up in the stripes.

On the flip side, and I’m being absolutely honest - the first five minutes I saw of Greive, I thought ‘this lad has something about him’. I certainly wasn’t alone, if the reaction from those about me in the hallowed ground of W3 is anything to go by.

First and maybe last time I make a snap decision on an unknown Buddie and get it even remotely right. 😀

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The only player I have hated immediately was Camara. An absolute charlatan of a player from the second he touched the ball to the minute he was papped out the club. Shocking signing, and I am still convinced that he has a twin brother that played for Celtic rather than him.

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1 hour ago, pozbaird said:

Best one I remember was Steve Galloway coming over from Sweden, in the (good old?) days before the internet and no-one knew nothing about anything or anyone until they turned up in the stripes.

On the flip side, and I’m being absolutely honest - the first five minutes I saw of Greive, I thought ‘this lad has something about him’. I certainly wasn’t alone, if the reaction from those about me in the hallowed ground of W3 is anything to go by.

First and maybe last time I make a snap decision on an unknown Buddie and get it even remotely right. 😀

I remember going to ER to see his debut and being really excited about his signing......... till he took his first touch. 

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I may have sounded a little harsh, but my lack of excitement about the signing doesn't mean I don't necessarily think he'll do well, or that he shouldn't be signed etc.

When I looked him up he originally played as a CF before moving to Morecambe, where Robinson ended up playing him mostly as a Winger. Wasn't sure if that was out of necessity or changing his style of play. Thus why I looked at his goal return.

If he's going to continue to play wide right, he'll  be competing with Jay Henderson on the right wing for when we do play a formation that suits that position - which can only be good for Jay's development and is an area that we at least need options in.

I am curious as to how people think he'd fit into a 3-5-2/5-3-2 if that's going to be our default - will he take one of the front 2 spots and just naturally play the role wider, or will he take the wingback role? Is Robinson going in a different direction from those formations? We'll have to wait and see!

I hadn't spotted he's over 6ft. I wonder how his heading is :D

We've had pacy players in the past that have been all energy and no end product, looking at you Dylan Conolly. Exciting every time they get on the ball because they can get by a man, but you're going home disappointed 9 times out of 10.

I hope he and all the other signings work out great, and we can push on up the league next season!

 

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4 hours ago, houston_bud said:

Worth noting that Charles-Cook was pretty poor in his first season. A lot of players need some time to settle in and fans can often have them judged after a game or two.

I remember a player coming off the bench for his debut in the mid 90s. Within a few minutes, he'd taken a touch of the ball, lost his balance and fallen over. "HE'S SHITE", came a shout behind me. The player had been on the park for a matter of minutes. That player was Jim Gardner, so the moral of the story is that sometimes fans' early judgements are accurate.

Charles-Cook was exactly who I was going to mention. Really athletic but looked as if he had never kicked a ball before in his life. 

Every signing is a risk. Goodwin preffered the tried and tested up here with the odd (more like half a dozen) Irish ballers thrown into the mix.

Robinson appears to prefer the lower leagues in England. We will be a bit sceptical as its not really a market we have had a lot of success in throughout the years.

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22 minutes ago, Ric said:

The holy grail would be a Connolly type with an end product. I wonder where he ended up... :rolleyes:

Jordan Jones was the sort of player we should have went for, didn't work out sadly. He hardly kicked a ball all season when we signed him, that's the risk you take in January. Never looked fully fit and confident. Maybe with a good pre-season under his belt he'd no doubt be an asset in this league.

At our level with the wages we pay, we are not going to get the finished article, especially with wingers. So inconsistent. 

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