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27 minutes ago, welldaft said:

Has the thread title changed ? 

I have had a few beers but I was convinced it was top 4 / 6 or something of that ilk. 

Goodwind is a decent Manager but he was starting to think he was Mourinho. 

Quite a few decisions going for the buddies this past fe months, but no acceptance of their luck. More about Covid stopping their push for a Euro place. Dearly me. Ultimately Karma has a habit of serving justice at the right moment.

The quest for top 6 goes on for near on 40 years...

 

We have been far from convincing for very many games, with a few incredible performances dotted in that have put a gloss on it. There have been times when I've heard/read people talking about us being a good team and I've wondered if it's been a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. 

I remain unsure about our tactics and I think we still have major weak spots in the squad. Had we made the top six, it would have been a decent achievement, but, let's be honest, it has had as much to do with some of the traditional top-six challengers having an absolute nightmare this season.

We've got plenty to build on here, though, and our recruitment has been broadly pretty good, so my main hope is that we can have a decent season next year when fans are back in the ground.

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4 hours ago, AberdeenBud said:

Aye , very fair and would agree with most of that Chappers.

For those out of contract I'd say;

Definitely Keep - Durmus , Fraser

On the Fence - JDH, Obika, Quaner. I'd maybe advocate keeping one of Obika or Quaner if we can get rid of Erwin.

Definitely Bin - Connolly, Flynn (for fitness/age reasons).


It also did take a pretty unforseeable sequence of events that lead to the squad being so being so depleted and us having such a huge number of games over a short period of time, I'd wary of spending too much of the budget on quantity not quality.

Erwins deal runs for another year I think

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Erwins deal runs for another year I think
Aye, exactly. Can't imagine clubs will lining up to take him off our hands, looking pretty criminal to give him a 2 year deal.

We've hopefully to see the best of Denis and Brophy. Ideally for next season I'd have those two, one of Obika and Quaner (purely based on his pedigree) kept on and add in another forward signed in the summer.

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17 minutes ago, AberdeenBud said:

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Aye, exactly. Can't imagine clubs will lining up to take him off our hands, looking pretty criminal to give him a 2 year deal.

We've hopefully to see the best of Denis and Brophy,. Ideally for next Season I'd have those two, one of Obika and Quaner (purely based on his pedigree) kept on and add in another forward signed in the summer.

We've managed to  offload worse players than Erwin with time left on their deals. 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Alli said:

Got to feel sorry for @Ric

Starts a topic laughing at Yogi Hughes taking over in Dingwall - who goes on to be doing a solid, if unspectacular, job. Went around the forum desperate for attention and predicting top six finishes and Fitzpatrick being correct, Goodwin being an excellent manager only to fall face first at the final hurdle. Oh buggery.

#rentfree

You are having a nightmare, here.

If you had bothered to read my posts I'd actually predicted us to get relegated for most of the season and most recently said I'd be happy even if we didn't reach top six. That said, actually reading people's posts isn't really your strong point, is it?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ric said:

You are having a nightmare, here.

:lol:

Oh dear, Ric. 

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We've managed to  offload worse players than Erwin with time left on their deals. 

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Morton & Dundee fans gloating is the highlight of a poor day.

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So, shame we missed out on that 6th place. Still, quite a few positives to take. We're nowhere near the relegation scrap, which is always nice, Goodwin's managed to put together a decent team, with the core of it signed up for next season with this seasons' experience hopefully spurring them on to go one better. I genuinely think the Covid forfeitures then postponements then 9 games in about 3 weeks did for us, and I'd hope that a season without such nonsense might see us be a lot more consistent.

Can't really begrudge St Johnstone the 6th place, even if it is by the slimmest of margins. Even if it was classic last minute drama, you can't argue we've had a bad season, far from it.

In some ways, playing against lesser opposition will make for a more enjoyable closing few matches than having to deal with the OF and all the shite that comes with.

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September was the month that killed us, rather than February. 6 losses in a row, including Hibs, Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock

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4 minutes ago, Burghbud said:

September was the month that killed us, rather than February. 6 losses in a row, including Hibs, Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock

You only lost 4 in a row in September, iirc?

The biggest loss was to the swashbuckling, Europe bound, 3rd placed Hibs.

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2 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

You only lost 4 in a row in September, iirc?

The biggest loss was to the swashbuckling, Europe bound, 3rd placed Hibs.

Malmo bound.

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You only lost 4 in a row in September, iirc?
The biggest loss was to the swashbuckling, Europe bound, 3rd placed Hibs.

Add in St Johnstone on 29 August & Aberdeen on 2 October

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8 minutes ago, Munoz said:

Malmo bound.

Unless we are accidentally sent to the Champions League, I think that's a touch unlikely.........

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3 hours ago, tree house tam said:

This is the way I see it panning out.

He speaks very well and seems like he cares but is very tactically nieve and seems to believe Fitzpatrick's fantasies. 

I love Tony to bits, but this did make me genuinely laugh out loud. It's about the only bit of pleasure I have had this weekend, even the takeaway I bought with some of the compo was unappealing, as I felt guilty eating it. :(  I knew it...as someone else said, it's the hope that kills you. Elvis has got the right idea!

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Just pondering after watching the highlights again, so this isn’t me levelling criticism in any way.

We’ve lost quite a few goals either to set pieces or late on (probably more so set pieces). Is that something that Alnwick should work on? Jim said post match that only two should have been in the wall, but we went with 3 leaving a spare man.

Kinda reminds me of the Paul Gallacher era when we lost a lot of late goals. He wasn’t the best at owning the 18 yard box at set pieces.

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It's an utter kick in the stones and was so predictable especially as we failed to kill Hamilton off. As soon as St Johnstone scored you could feel it coming. Fair play to them, 2 defeats in 15 is some run and a cup too. 

People and indeed the media had us in the top 6 before it was done, and the run of games in February killed us. Even Tony Fitzpatrick wound back on some of sportsounds chat. 

I think I said a few posts back in the relegation thread that this is what I could see happening especially with the results St Johnstone were getting with Hibs and late goals. I fully anticipate us finishing 9th now. It's still a far better season than usual but we have failed miserably to hit the teams potential. 

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If you had offered me 7th or 8th at the start of the season I would have bitten your hand off. So we never made top 6 its not the end of the world. In a season where we cant get into games i am happy where we are at. We regroup and go again next season still in the SPL. We have exciting young players coming through and I see good times ahead. 

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2 hours ago, Munoz said:

Morton & Dundee fans gloating is the highlight of a poor day.

Sure it is M8.

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2 hours ago, Ric said:

So, shame we missed out on that 6th place. Still, quite a few positives to take. We're nowhere near the relegation scrap, which is always nice, Goodwin's managed to put together a decent team, with the core of it signed up for next season with this seasons' experience hopefully spurring them on to go one better. I genuinely think the Covid forfeitures then postponements then 9 games in about 3 weeks did for us, and I'd hope that a season without such nonsense might see us be a lot more consistent.

Leaving the mirth at the manner of your bottom six fate to one side to a moment - while some of what you state is no doubt true, next season's top flight will also have both i) a Hearts side that have chucked huge amounts at getting out of an easy Championship, with the clear purpose of hitting the ground running in the top flight again and ii) a Dundee United team that are likely to strengthen after establishing themselves at the top level this season. Kilmarnock have had a nightmare campaign until they appointed arguably the best provincial club manager in the country, and Motherwell are also likely to be somewhat less of a nick after clearing out their squad over the summer.

Put simply then, I'd suggest that this season was actually the best realistic set of conditions for Tony Fitzpatrick's top six dream to come true, and that it'll be much tougher for Saint Mirren, as well as Livingston and to a lesser extent Saint Johnstone, to replicate your league performance next season. Even if you progress in absolute terms, the relative placing of your squad in the league as a whole is likely to go somewhat backwards. That's the iron logic of professional football. 

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