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1 hour ago, NorthBank said:

Hopefully yesterday was a wake up call.

If Goody has no faith in Baird then there is no point on holding on to the lad - let him go elsewhere.

Our squad is getting larger so if players are not doing it they should be on the bench and let someone else have a go.

We have several wingers and playmakers now but need two in midfield who can battle ie Foley, McPherson or Sheron. One in there is not enough.

And we need a decent young loan player (has Norwich or Hull any?) who can play full back or centre half to provide cover.

It is good to have a squad able to play different formations but with a new squad please stick to one formation until the players all know their responsibilities and each others' game.

I think the default has to be a 4-4-1-1, with the potential to go 4-4-2 if we need. 

3-5-2 is a fucking train wreck and I'm stunned it was attempted. 4-4-2 as a starting line up doesn't enable us to compete in the middle, removes a link between midfield and forwards, and it places too much defensive responsibility on the wingers. Playing with McGrath or McAllister behind Obika, with two proper wide men, and two solid midfielders, is such a no-brainer now.

If we're chasing and need to go direct, then fine, bring on an extra striker.

I'm currently fearing a horsing from Hibs, tbh.

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I prefer McAllister playing inside rather than on the wing for the simple reason he takes the ball forward however he always wants to take on everyone and doesn't pass to teammates in better positions. But his biggest problems are build and fitness. Wouldn't be a starter for me.
I'd much prefer McGrath playing either off a striker or the point in a diamond.
But forget about this 3-5-2 stuff unless it's in lower league cup games or againt 10 men.

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Hopefully yesterday was a wake up call.
If Goody has no faith in Baird then there is no point on holding on to the lad - let him go elsewhere.
Our squad is getting larger so if players are not doing it they should be on the bench and let someone else have a go.
We have several wingers and playmakers now but need two in midfield who can battle ie Foley, McPherson or Sheron. One in there is not enough.
And we need a decent young loan player (has Norwich or Hull any?) who can play full back or centre half to provide cover.
It is good to have a squad able to play different formations but with a new squad please stick to one formation until the players all know their responsibilities and each others' game.
Baird will be away. Championship clubs will be aware he is available but will be signing players as late as possible to save on wages.

Theres no way we are keeping him just to torture him on the bench.

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Any word on Fraser's injury, or how long Shaughnessy's ban is for? Will both of them be back for the Hibs game?

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19 minutes ago, Ric said:

Any word on Fraser's injury, or how long Shaughnessy's ban is for? Will both of them be back for the Hibs game?

Shaughnessy is a one game ban I believe so should be back for the Hibs game . Fraser not sure. We really need a big improvement in performance against Hibs. At least there is plenty time on the training ground to sort things out. 

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6 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said:

Shaughnessy is a one game ban I believe so should be back for the Hibs game . Fraser not sure. We really need a big improvement in performance against Hibs. At least there is plenty time on the training ground to sort things out. 

I think most thought we were "on the right track", as it were, until Saturday. Sure we could have done with a more sticky midfield but it didn't feel like major surgery was needed.

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3 minutes ago, Ric said:

I think most thought we were "on the right track", as it were, until Saturday. Sure we could have done with a more sticky midfield but it didn't feel like major surgery was needed.

I watched the whole game on Sunday Rick . We can posses the ball fine but going forward we looked devoid of any ideas in that game. Mcalister out wide is not working he should be brought in more central.  Was it just me McAllister displeased at being subbed  ?  Reading "not the old firm " goodwin saying he is talking to three players in Southern Ireland. Rough diamonds was Goodwin's description.  

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45 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said:

I watched the whole game on Sunday Rick . We can posses the ball fine but going forward we looked devoid of any ideas in that game. Mcalister out wide is not working he should be brought in more central.  Was it just me McAllister displeased at being subbed  ?  Reading "not the old firm " goodwin saying he is talking to three players in Southern Ireland. Rough diamonds was Goodwin's description.  

Goodwin said that McAllister was playing behind the strikers in the hole on Saturday...so if he was out wide it was maybe why he was subbed! 

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1 hour ago, aldo_j said:

Goodwin said that McAllister was playing behind the strikers in the hole on Saturday...so if he was out wide it was maybe why he was subbed! 

Seen in the hole twice once when subbed he was more middle.  Most of what I seen looked wide. 

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JG seems a tad obsessive about playing wingers or to be more accurate playing men wide. It is doubly hurting us as it leaves us over run in the middle of the park and that in turn means very little supply to said wide men who therefore provide nothing for the strikers. One look at the starting lineup on Saturday and you knew we would lose the midfield battle. The rest of the shitshow was somewhat forced upon us by injuries. Looks like he needs to play Baird as Foley is too big a loss from the midfield. Going forward needs to sign another CB as Baird ain't going to feature longer term unless he gets a chance and has a blinder v Hibs. Strikers feeding on absolute scraps for the reasons stated so some of their criticism is OTT imo. Need a fit Flynn and Magennis to help out Foley. McAllister is never going to win the battles either of them would.

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15 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

JG seems a tad obsessive about playing wingers or to be more accurate playing men wide. It is doubly hurting us as it leaves us over run in the middle of the park and that in turn means very little supply to said wide men who therefore provide nothing for the strikers. One look at the starting lineup on Saturday and you knew we would lose the midfield battle. The rest of the shitshow was somewhat forced upon us by injuries. Looks like he needs to play Baird as Foley is too big a loss from the midfield. Going forward needs to sign another CB as Baird ain't going to feature longer term unless he gets a chance and has a blinder v Hibs. Strikers feeding on absolute scraps for the reasons stated so some of their criticism is OTT imo. Need a fit Flynn and Magennis to help out Foley. McAllister is never going to win the battles either of them would.

Spot on. Need 4 midfielders and not 2 midfielders and 2 wingers. Need solidity in the middle of the park just now. Defence will be ok and if we can get the strikeforce working we will be fine.

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Spot on. Need 4 midfielders and not 2 midfielders and 2 wingers. Need solidity in the middle of the park just now. Defence will be ok and if we can get the strikeforce working we will be fine.

Yip needs to set up far more solid in the middle and try playing thru midfield. I suspect he feels we don't have the personnel available right now to play this way hence the width in the formations but McAllister would be so much better with two holding and two attacking with a narrower approach. Could play 2 up that way or 1 with 1 behind to match up if need be. Sounds simple but it appears to me Goody doesn't see the creativity in the midfielders available.

 

Back 4 then Foley and Cammy holding with McAllister and probably Durmus trying to create for Obika and the new striker at least until Flynn and Magennis are fit.

 

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I fully expect certain St Johnstone fans to point out that St Mirren are being punished unfairly here and a default 3-0 victory for the away side be awarded instead.

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I fully expect certain St Johnstone fans to point out that St Mirren are being punished unfairly here and a default 3-0 victory for the away side be awarded instead.
#rentfree

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11 minutes ago, AW saint said:

Apparently we lost 2-1 to Hearts in a bounce game today

Assumed it was a cup final going by the reaction of Hearts fans on Twitter. Bless em.

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