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5 hours ago, craigkillie said:

It depends on the level of the breaches though - if this story is true and St Mirren have essentially ignored every single aspect of the recommended protocols, then they deserve a stronger punishment than other clubs who have had a single slip-up somewhere.

Agreed but this lad McGowan has said the SPFL are going to throw the book at us for breach of protocols such as 'team coaches' and 'team meals'. 

Neither of these things, as far as I'm aware, breach any protocols so it will be interesting to know what exactly he is insulating that we've done wrong in that regard. His wording of his article is shoddy and appears to be deliberately provocative.

Morton today, put a tweet up thanking a local cafe for providing the team a takeaway breakfast to eat on the coach trip to Dundee this morning. So given there's evidently nothing wrong with either of those things, I'm genuinely interested what exactly we have done in terms of team meals and coaches that is so wrong as to have the book thrown at us. I mean, surely there is not really much room for interpretation there unless the players are fucking licking each others plates. 😂

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9 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Agreed but this lad McGowan has said the SPFL are going to throw the book at us for breach of protocols such as 'team coaches' and 'team meals'. 

Maybe he means Alan McManus and Jamie Langfield.

Or maybe, seeing as it's the Daily Mail, it's the usual load of shite that's not worth reading.

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1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said:
4 hours ago, ZingaliMan said:
1/ If proven guilty by the SPFL  2/ As a paying fan for fan ownership I would like to know what the board knew if anything. That might mean nothing to others  which is fine I respect t that. Me I want to know given we have two SMISA members on the board ( representing fans ,members of SMISA ) Given the severity of this situation and the punishment that could be given out. Of course not wanting a here and now answers.  Take the punishment after that their should be scrutiny. What's the point of fan ownership in times of crisis if the fans buying the club dont know what has went on to get us into this situation. I'm sure if the club is in crisis with financiers  a e-mail will be in my inbox to help out. At this moment in time Scott can tell SMISA to f**k off. Just my opinion as a SMISA member.  

All that should and no doubt will be conveyed to the support via the club not via a Supporters Association. I really cant see why you would expect information like that to come from SMISA given their responsibility is to their members, this affects every supporter and is frankly nothing to to with SMISA even allowing for their representation on the board.

Appoliges I dont mean SMISA members are better than any other supporter . For me if something is seriously wrong then SMISA have two board members feed back so far has been zero not just on this subject . Magennis statement ?  We have 1,200 supporters putting in £12 a month have they to be looked over ?  First things first we might be innocent, done nothing wrong SPFL   should protecting clubs it's an organisation that seems wants to f**k clubs. I'm no fan of hearts but they were given a bad hand but that's another story. If you think fans paying £12 a month for years with two members from that organisation on the board should give no information to its members in a time of crisis then I dont agree. Then again we might be innocent but that info should still be out to fans. I'm Gordon Scott I'm going to make a statement every quarter to the fans. Aye right Gordon. 

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6 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said:

Appoliges I dont mean SMISA members are better than any other supporter . For me if something is seriously wrong then SMISA have two board members feed back so far has been zero not just on this subject . Magennis statement ?  We have 1,200 supporters putting in £12 a month have they to be looked over ?  First things first we might be innocent, done nothing wrong SPFL   should protecting clubs it's an organisation that seems wants to f**k clubs. I'm no fan of hearts but they were given a bad hand but that's another story. If you think fans paying £12 a month for years with two members from that organisation on the board should give no information to its members in a time of crisis then I dont agree. Then again we might be innocent but that info should still be out to fans. I'm Gordon Scott I'm going to make a statement every quarter to the fans. Aye right Gordon. 

Exactly what information is it you want right now?

The club have already admitted positive tests on several occasions, the last two have reduced the squad to numbers which have required postponements. All of this we know.

Now, as Kilmarnock are currently being investigated it is only a matter of time (probably Monday) before Saints are also under investigation at which point it would be totally inappropriate for the club to comment further until the result of the investigation is made public.

Edited by Arch Stanton

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Rule breaches or not the reason we couldn't fulfill those fixtures was the small squad we are operating with. Had we say 25+ signed players we would probably have been able to field a team albeit a weakened one (although not now the squad has been isolated but I asume this is a step taken to tryto bring this outbreakto an end given the window created by no game next weekend). We will not be operating on this basis through choice it will be financial constraints that are dictating it. This scenario will never lead to a postponement for either of the cheeks, Aberdeen, Hibs etc so I really can't see how a points deduction can be applied as it was far from a level playing field from the outset.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Exactly what information is it you want right now?

The club have already admitted positive tests on several occasions, the last two have reduced the squad to numbers which have required postponements. All of this we know.

Now, as Kilmarnock are currently being investigated it is only a matter of time (probably Monday) before Saints are also under investigation at which point it would be totally inappropriate for the club to comment further until the result of the investigation is made 

Have you read what I have wrote ? Obviously not as I have wrote we need to wait what the club statement is . If , IF  there is any punishment from wrong doings.  If we have broken the rules and proved guilty only then I expect feed back from SMISA. 

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45 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Agreed but this lad McGowan has said the SPFL are going to throw the book at us for breach of protocols such as 'team coaches' and 'team meals'. 

Neither of these things, as far as I'm aware, breach any protocols so it will be interesting to know what exactly he is insulating that we've done wrong in that regard. His wording of his article is shoddy and appears to be deliberately provocative.

Morton today, put a tweet up thanking a local cafe for providing the team a takeaway breakfast to eat on the coach trip to Dundee this morning. So given there's evidently nothing wrong with either of those things, I'm genuinely interested what exactly we have done in terms of team meals and coaches that is so wrong as to have the book thrown at us. I mean, surely there is not really much room for interpretation there unless the players are fucking licking each others plates. 😂

It's a pandemic I'm sure if Killie and Saints take this to a court of law we will both be proved innocent.  At that point is the football authorities looking after their members  ?  I dont thinks so they are on a different planet.  It's not a guess we are not out the first month of winter things are going to get bad for all clubs.  If this goes tits up I'm finished watching Scottish football.  Plenty other things to do on a Saturday.  

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Points deductions / match forfeits are surely non-starters in terms of potential punishments for any breaches of Covid protocols. The evidence of guilt would have to be gold-plated. After having been dragged through the law courts by Hearts and Partick surely Doncaster wouldn't dare to impose a points penalty on Killie and/or St Mirren that would be guaranteed to drag his sorry arse back through those courts again.

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14 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said:

Have you read what I have wrote ? Obviously not as I have wrote we need to wait what the club statement is . If , IF  there is any punishment from wrong doings.  If we have broken the rules and proved guilty only then I expect feed back from SMISA. 

Yes, you said...

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If you think fans paying £12 a month for years with two members from that organisation on the board should give no information to its members in a time of crisis then I dont agree. Then again we might be innocent but that info should still be out to fans. 

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It's a pandemic I'm sure if Killie and Saints take this to a court of law we will both be proved innocent

In a court of law no one ever has to prove their innocence.

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2 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Yes, you said...

Also

In a court of law no one ever has to prove their innocence.

Your view  is ? 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Alli said:

Those were one offs. Am I right in thinking your club have already been warned/investigated and this is now another, new charge? 

Not asking for any special status, just treat us the same way they would Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen if they did what they are accusing us of. 
Now before any Hearts fan gets their knickers in a twist, had Obika not scored that goal they would have relegated us as soon as the final whistle was blown. The only reason it dragged on was they needed to f**k either Utd or Hearts. If it had been ICT, Dundee or any other clubs they wouldn’t have batted an eye lid about keeping Hearts up.

The whole thing is a carve up 😏

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7 minutes ago, Torfason said:

Not asking for any special status, just treat us the same way they would Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen if they did what they are accusing us of. 
Now before any Hearts fan gets their knickers in a twist, had Obika not scored that goal they would have relegated us as soon as the final whistle was blown. The only reason it dragged on was they needed to f**k either Utd or Hearts. If it had been ICT, Dundee or any other clubs they wouldn’t have batted an eye lid about keeping Hearts up.

The whole thing is a carve up 😏

I'm no Hears lover these c***s are p***ks. They were given a raw deal had it been in the other foot we would have been shouting from the roof tops. At least I would. 

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Looks like it will be 5 weeks between league matches for you guys so get your money on a 5-0 win, that’s how it works.

Edited by ropy

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12 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Rule breaches or not the reason we couldn't fulfill those fixtures was the small squad we are operating with. Had we say 25+ signed players we would probably have been able to field a team albeit a weakened one (although not now the squad has been isolated but I asume this is a step taken to tryto bring this outbreakto an end given the window created by no game next weekend). We will not be operating on this basis through choice it will be financial constraints that are dictating it. This scenario will never lead to a postponement for either of the cheeks, Aberdeen, Hibs etc so I really can't see how a points deduction can be applied as it was far from a level playing field from the outset.

 

 

We have 23 players in the first team squad (excluding 2 out on loan).

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12 hours ago, Torfason said:

Not asking for any special status, just treat us the same way they would Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen if they did what they are accusing us of. 
Now before any Hearts fan gets their knickers in a twist, had Obika not scored that goal they would have relegated us as soon as the final whistle was blown. The only reason it dragged on was they needed to f**k either Utd or Hearts. If it had been ICT, Dundee or any other clubs they wouldn’t have batted an eye lid about keeping Hearts up.

The whole thing is a carve up 😏

Slight pedant point: had Obika not scored, it would have been Hamilton in 12th.

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13 hours ago, ZingaliMan said:

It's a pandemic I'm sure if Killie and Saints take this to a court of law we will both be proved innocent.  At that point is the football authorities looking after their members  ?  I dont thinks so they are on a different planet.  It's not a guess we are not out the first month of winter things are going to get bad for all clubs.  If this goes tits up I'm finished watching Scottish football.  Plenty other things to do on a Saturday.  

It is of course a pandemic and anyone can catch it at ant time. But football has these rules in place in order that it continues in as safe a way as possible, which of course is for the benefit of clubs and us as supporters. If any club behaves in an irresponsible way then there certainly should be repercussions. However Kilmarnock and St Mirren have not been shown to have done anything wrong at this point and as such we need to wait and see. 

Edited by Yorky

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We have 23 players in the first team squad (excluding 2 out on loan).
That includes 3 keepers at least though. Always going to be a struggle in the current predicament. Injuries, suspensions, positives and isolations are always going to take their toll.

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6 hours ago, Coventry Saint said:

Slight pedant point: had Obika not scored, it would have been Hamilton in 12th.

Well you can feck right off 😛

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35 minutes ago, Torfason said:

Well you can feck right off 😛

:lol:

Quite right, he needs to be taken down a peg or two.

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Slight pedant point: had Obika not scored, it would have been Hamilton in 12th.
If he hadn't scored then Hearts would still have been 12th. They were 4 points behind Accies.

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