The St. Mirren FC 2023/24 thread

[McG]

1 hour ago, Coventry Saint said:

Fuckit, I'd just started to convince myself he wasn't going. 

I'd be reasonably comfortable with him going if it weren't for the apparent dearth of quality candidates to replace him. Most seem to have Neilson chalked up as number one, but if he falls through, I have no clue where we're turning after that.

I'm not that fussed on McIntyre, I think it's too soon for Goodwin, I don';t want any of the other usual names that get chucked about... so where does that leave us?

From what I've heard, Neilsen is nailed on for it, too soon for Goodwin at moment.

[glenburn bud]

2 minutes ago, McG said:

From what I've heard, Neilsen is nailed on for it, too soon for Goodwin at moment.

They were all telling us it was too soon for Jack Ross, that one went well, get Goody in as soon as Ross departs for Ipswich.

[Coventry Saint]

26 minutes ago, glenburn bud said:

They were all telling us it was too soon for Jack Ross, that one went well, get Goody in as soon as Ross departs for Ipswich.

I'm just as interested in protecting Goodwin's legacy, TBH. His reputation with Saints fans survived being a key part of the 2014-15 debacle, because we could all see that there was far more going at the club at the time. However, plunging him in in our first season back in the top flight could see him being part of a Saints relegation for a second time if it doesn't go well.

I'd let him cut his teeth in the Championship with Alloa then see where we are in a season or two.

[paisleysaints]

36 minutes ago, McG said:

From what I've heard, Neilsen is nailed on for it, too soon for Goodwin at moment.

Oh well that's me done i held a slight hope he may stay,  It's doomsday

[glenburn bud]

9 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

I'm just as interested in protecting Goodwin's legacy, TBH. His reputation with Saints fans survived being a key part of the 2014-15 debacle, because we could all see that there was far more going at the club at the time. However, plunging him in in our first season back in the top flight could see him being part of a Saints relegation for a second time if it doesn't go well.

I'd let him cut his teeth in the Championship with Alloa then see where we are in a season or two.

Fair point, for various reasons GLS and the board could be thinking along similar lines. It could well be a bit soon for Goodwin to make that step up, but the other names out their are just frightening. 

 

[McG]

17 minutes ago, paisleysaints said:

Oh well that's me done i held a slight hope he may stay,  It's doomsday

Things can change very quickly but when JR does leave I trust Gordon Scott 100% to pick the right man again, wouldn't be surprised if JR gets an input on who the next manager should be as well.

 

[paisleysaints]

4 minutes ago, McG said:

Things can change very quickly but when JR does leave I trust Gordon Scott 100% to pick the right man again, wouldn't be surprised if JR gets an input on who the next manager should be as well.

 

Yeah I agree,  we all know he'll leave at some point but when you've had an 18 months like we've had and he leaves it will be a hard one to take,  alot of buddies will be hurting but the club has made massive strides on and off the park.

[TomPainesBones!]

Nearest airport to Ipswich that has direct flights to Glasgow International is Stansted, 53 miles away.
So a good bit longer than "one hour away".

So it’s what, 2 hours away?

[PauloPerth]

Any St Mirren fans with stats on the clubs' all time top premier league/ Premiership scorers since 1975?

If anyone has a comprehensive list, it'd be good if you could bring it here...

 

 

 

[btb]

Not quite what you asked for but probably McGarvey ( http://www.stmirren.info/id406.html ) it's got season by season details so you could probably work it out.

Goal Scorers   1 Davie McCrae 1924-1934 251 2 Alex Linwood 1938-1946   164 3 Jimmy Knox 1931-1939 156 4= Robert Rankin 1926-1934 1937-1941 102 4= Frank McGarvey 1974-1979 1985-1990 102 6 Tommy Gemmell 1951-1962 96 7= James Thomson 1918-1929 84 7= Billy Stark 1975-1983 84 9 Dunky Walker 1921-1923 76 10 Alex Wylie 1890-1901 73 11= Barry Lavety 1991-1996 1999-2000 2003-2004 72 11= Jim Blair 1967-1970 1971-1972 72 13= Mark Yardley 1995-2003 71 13= Jimmy McGregor 1932-1938 71 15 Tommy Bryceland 1956-1962 1972 69 16 Gerry Baker 1958-1960 66 17= Frank McDougall 1979-1984 64 17= Doug Somner 1979-1983 64 17= Thomas Brady 1939-1943 64 20 Frank McAvennie 1980-1985 63 21 Ally McLeod 1970-1973 62 22 Ricky Gillies 1992-1997 2000-2005 56 23 Alan Gebbie 1924-1936 55 24= David Lapsley 1946-1959 54 24= Steven Thompson 2011-2016 54 26 James Cunningham 1904-1911 52 27= Bobby McKean 1969-1974 47 27= Don Kerrigan 1958-1963 47 27= George Stewart 1950-1954 47 30 Johnny Deakin 1937-1949 46 31= Peter Kane 1967-1970 45 31= John Sutton 2005-2007 2016-2018 45 33 Jim Rodger 1955-1962 44 34= Bobby Adamson 1965-1970 43 34= David Wyllie 1904-1908 43 36= Bobby Holmes 1954-1960 40 36= Ian Scanlon 1981-1986 40 36= Donnie McDowell 1974-1977 40 39= Billy Mehmet 2005-2010 39 39= Jimmy Stenhouse 1941-1947 39 41 David Lindsay 1899-1905 38 42 Alfons Lesz 1947-1952 37 43= Dunky McGill 1951-1954 1956-1958 36 43= Gerry Burrell 1947-1951 36 43= John MacKenzie 1934-1938 36 46= Jimmy Bone 1978-1982 35 46= Arthur Milne 1946-1950 35 48= Derek Hyslop 1975-1979 33 48= Willie Telfer 1943-1957 33 50= Alistair Miller 1957-1962 30 50= Thomas Milne 1907-1912 30

Appearances 1 Willie Telfer  1943-1957 505 2    Hugh Murray 1997-2012 468 2 Tony Fitzpatrick 1973-1979 1981-1989 458 4 Cammy Murray 1962-1972 416 5 John Miller 1925-1939 395 6 David Lapsley 1946-1959 393 7 Campbell Money 1978-1996 391 8 James Thomson 1918-1929 378 9 Billy Abercromby 1975-1988 375 10 Davie McCrae 1924-1934 352 11 Billy Stark 1975-1983 345 12 Frank McGarvey 1974-1979 1985-1990 341 13 Tommy Gemmell 1951-1962 336 14 David van Zanten 2003-2008 2010-2014 332 15 Alan Gebbie 1924-1936 331 16 John Wilson 1955-1967 320 17 Ricky Gillies 1992-1997 2000-2005 318 18= Norrie McWhirter 1985-2000 299 18= Lex Richardson 1976-1983 299 20 Barry McLaughlin 1991-2002 295 21 Jackie Neilson 1949-1960 285 22 Billy Thomson 1978-1984 284 23 Robert Rankin 1926-1934 1937-1941 280 24 Johnny Deakin 1937-1949 276 25 John Young 1974-1982 275 26 Jackie Copland 1967-1968 1976-1983 274 26= William Kelly 1934-1945 125 274 28 Jimmy Knox 1931-1939 270 29 Frank McDougall 1979-1984 269 30 Michael McAvoy 1886-1909 263 31 Paul Lambert 1985-1993 261 32 Walter Hay 1924-1935 258 33 Mark Yardley 1995-2003 252 34= Iain Munro 1969-1973 1977-1980 251 34= Robert Robertson 1901-1912 251 36 Andrew Findlay 1922-1929 246 37 Alex Beckett 1974-1983 245 38 Andrew Reid 1908-1917 242 39 Jim Clunie 1960-1965 1966-1967 241 40= Jock Bradford 1921-1927 239 40= Tommy Wilson 1982-1989 239 42 Alex Linwood 1938-1946 40 235 43 John Potter 2005-2011 234 44 George Walker 1926-1933 232 45 William McDonald 1923-1930 231 46 Willie Johnstone 1948-1958 222 47 Joe Craven 1936-1942 216 48 Barry Lavety 1991-1995 1999-2000 2003-2003 215 49 Bobby Ancell 1930-1936 210 49= Peter Godfrey 1985-1991 210 51 Jimmy Drinkwater 1941-1952 209 52 Mark Fulton 1977-1985 206 53 Willie Summers 1921-1927 203 54 Tom Jackson 1898-1911 200

Edited May 16, 2018 by btb

[Demented Zebra]

3 hours ago, glenburn bud said:

Fair point, for various reasons GLS and the board could be thinking along similar lines. It could well be a bit soon for Goodwin to make that step up, but the other names out their are just frightening. 

 

Would you not like Robbie Nielsen Paisley boy with a St Mirren supporter father. 

[Waspie]

8 hours ago, glenburn bud said:

They were all telling us it was too soon for Jack Ross, that one went well, get Goody in as soon as Ross departs for Ipswich.

It wasn't too soon for Jack Ross. It was obvious when he was at Alloa that he was a class act and that he would go far. He even had a huge impact on us this season because we simply would not have been promoted without Kirkpatrick and Stewart. Goodwin is different. He works very hard and the players play for him so he clearly has something. He absolutely nailed it over the last couple of games over the season and the play-offs. However, his decision making and signing policy have been suspect at times. There is promise there, without doubt, but he isn't another Jack Ross. Jack was always going to be a great appointment for you. I suspect Goody would be a poor one and too much of a risk. At the moment at least.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Waspie

[glenburn bud]

2 hours ago, Demented Zebra said:

Would you not like Robbie Nielsen Paisley boy with a St Mirren supporter father. 

He’s the best of the current crop of managers who are out of work.

But there are rumours that he’s heading back to a role at Hearts. 

 

[Stu]

2 hours ago, Demented Zebra said:

Would you not like Robbie Nielsen Paisley boy with a St Mirren supporter father. 

I didn't realise that automatically made him a good manager.

Some people seem to be obsessed with us signing "Paisley boys" or the like, which is the main reason why Paul Paton's name has been mentioned as a signing and Andy Murdoch's name was brought up almost before he'd even left Rangers.

Decisions on signings and appointments should be made based on their ability. I could not care less where someone is from or which team they or their family support. All that matters is they are a good player or manager.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Stu

[Buddist Monk]

I don't wish to be a contrarian, but I think he'll stay. Not certain, definitely not, but I've got a feeling if he was to go it would have been before now.

I am with @Stu here regarding Neilson, but I wouldn't be overly fussed if that's how this all ended up. Does anyone know what his signing policy was like at MK Dons? If Ross is snaffled up by Ipswich I'd be expecting at least a couple hundred thousand in compensation. At (lower) Premiership level that's worth 2 or 3 players.

 

[AllyM]

I would have thought a major consideration would be continuity. We've had a particular style of play over the last 18 months that has served us well and has led to us recruiting particular types of players (and losing others). If JR goes (and takes Fowler with him), surely we want a manager that continues with that, perhaps only looking to strengthen us a little with a bit more physical presence throughout the spine of the team.

I'm sure Gordon Scott knows this and so the people he will be looking at are people that could fill the bill.  To my mind, that would rule out the likes of Hopkin (regardless of how well he has done this season - and he has) and Aitken and all the old codgers who get trotted out every time there is a vacancy. However, it may well include Goodwin (who is using some of JRs past and present players) and Neilson who JR  "interacted very closely with" (according to JR himself) at Hearts. 

[AllyM]

Just to add to that, the one person I would have really liked to manage us if JR had gone earlier (say to Dundee or Barnsley) is Stevie Clarke. That's not going to happen now, but of the current list of available managers, Robbie Neilson stands out a mile, in my view. 

I want JR to stay, of course, but there is a part of me saying if JR is going to go, then it might be best for him to go now whilst Robbie Neilson is available. 

[Buddist Monk]

Shall we throw another name into the hat? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44140002 

[Demented Zebra]

1 hour ago, Stu said:

I didn't realise that automatically made him a good manager.

Some people seem to be obsessed with us signing "Paisley boys" or the like, which is the main reason why Paul Paton's name has been mentioned as a signing and Andy Murdoch's name was brought up almost before he'd even left Rangers.

Decisions on signings and appointments should be made based on their ability. I could not care less where someone is from or which team they or their family support. All that matters is they are a good player or manager.

100% agree Stu I never knew Neilson was a Paisley boy until last week thought he was Swedish no idea where that came from. At least he understands the passion for the club through his father growing up with it in the house hold always helps with a potential signing. I have tipped Neilson even before I knew he was a Paisley lad. I don't live in the town anymore but still love it and when asked always  reply I'm a Paisley buddie.  

Edited May 16, 2018 by Demented Zebra

[Coventry Saint]

1 hour ago, Demented Zebra said:

100% agree Stu I never knew Neilson was a Paisley boy until last week thought he was Swedish no idea where that came from. 

 Roland Nilson, the old Coventry player, possibly?!

This guy isn't Swedish, but we can get this playing on loop when Jack leaves 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Coventry Saint