McSpreader Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 6 hours ago, oaksoft said: I hate to be picky but clearly the majority opinion in Aberdeen was for someone other than the SNP wasnt it? It really is impossible to argue with that point^^^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 A real meeting of the minds, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 6 hours ago, oaksoft said: I hate to be picky but clearly the majority opinion in Aberdeen was for someone other than the SNP wasnt it? You are quite the imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, McSpreader said: It really is impossible to argue with that point^^^. It really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 12 hours ago, Crùbag said: Labour are an utter shambles. Just when Corbyn starts to make some headway in the polls, Abbot fluffs her figures, manifesto is leaked, Len McCluskey admits defeat and now Kezia has lost control of the branch office. Tory councillors are firing off BNP/ EDL type-tweets left, right and centre and still Labour fails to make hay while the sun is shining - relatively speaking for them - and manages a shambles of their own. Far-right, right and centre surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 How much further can Labour split? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I've not been following this that closely so maybe I've picked this up all wrong but it doesn't seem right that you can be elected as a councillor with a particular party, win a seat and then be chucked out of the party/resign and stay in position as an independent. Shouldn't these be contested again? Especially in Aberdeen where this is the case for most of the councillors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I've not been following this that closely so maybe I've picked this up all wrong but it doesn't seem right that you can be elected as a councillor with a particular party, win a seat and then be chucked out of the party/resign and stay in position as an independent. Shouldn't these be contested again? Especially in Aberdeen where this is the case for most of the councillors! morally, yes.Legally, no.Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Jennifer Stewart has told my dad that she joined the coalition because the voters said to her on the doorstep that they didn't want a second independence referendum and to keep the SNP out at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Jennifer Stewart has told my dad that she joined the coalition because the voters said to her on the doorstep that they didn't want a second independence referendum and to keep the SNP out at all costs. The Lib Dems in Perth are apparently saying the same. Seems to be the default reasoning for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Jennifer Stewart has told my dad that she joined the coalition because the voters said to her on the doorstep that they didn't want a second independence referendum and to keep the SNP out at all costs. Aberdeen City Council does not have the ability to call (or block) a second independence referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 So the SNP got the biggest numbers, but not enough for a majority, so the also rans all clubbed together to keep them out? Pathetic. The Tories and Labour must be absolutely seething at the SNP if they're willing to abandon all their principles and jump into bed with each other. Slags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 A little lesson from Canada on where this is probably heading. A couple of decades ago, can't remember exactly when, the BC version of the Tory party (funnily enough called Conservatives) was absolutely swept from the board in a BC election. Most of them simply abandoned ship and joined a resurgent equivalent of the Lib Dems (called the Liberals). The NDP (old labour) stayed as is. The very next election the Torys had completely taken control and they were now just as right wing as the party that was ostensibly the Torys. I personally think we're about five years away from Labour ceasing to exist in Scotland with the old guard invading the Tories. I just don't believe they have any ideals at all other than sticking their snouts in the trough, so they'll just go along with whatever their Tory buddies want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babu Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 16 hours ago, oaksoft said: I hate to be picky but clearly the majority opinion in Aberdeen was for someone other than the SNP wasnt it? As a local, I can truly say that the majority desperately wanted anyone other than the existing incompetents - Labour. Wouldn't be surprised if Willie ( I didn't know the land belonged to my father) Young makes a reappearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Thanks for all your local reportage. It sounds like there may be a few twists left in this tale.Of particular interest to the P&B readership what bearing, if any, does this have on the new stadium saga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Aberdeen City Council does not have the ability to call (or block) a second independence referendum. Neither does Edinburgh City Council which presumably explains why Labour and the SNP were able to coexist in coalition even while Indyref 1 was in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 If any party manages to gain 50% plus of the votes cast or seats won in a system we use,would be increadable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 54 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Neither does Edinburgh City Council which presumably explains why Labour and the SNP were able to coexist in coalition even while Indyref 1 was in progress. East Ayrshire doesn't either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Blootoon87 said: So the SNP got the biggest numbers, but not enough for a majority, so the also rans all clubbed together to keep them out? Pathetic. The Tories and Labour must be absolutely seething at the SNP if they're willing to abandon all their principles and jump into bed with each other. Slags. The SNP has done exactly the same in the past. I'm sure if the tories were the largest group in the council and labour and SNP formed a coalition, you might not have been quite as vociferous in your disgust. That's PR I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Some Labour supporters are going mental about this based on what I've read elsewhere and are even speculating whether Dugdale is an SNP agent sent in to destroy their party. In the general election they will need people leaning Tory to ignore the Corbyn factor and vote tactically for them to stop the SNP to win back a few seats in the central belt, so appearing to prefer the SNP to the Tories in local government achieves what exactly for them in strategic terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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