jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Unless she is not the brightest [emoji5], then surely this was a very strong message of unionist solidarity and hint to vote tory in the borders and North.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/807559/Kezia-Dugdale-Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-Scottish-independence-poll-Ruth-Davidson/amp So full quote:“The reality is the vast majority of seats across Scotland, it’s only the Labour party that can beat the SNP.“There are a few differences in the Borders and the Highlands where the Tories might be better placed but right across Scotland’s centre belt, where the vast majority of Scotland’s population lives, the only party that can beat the SNP is the Labour party.”That's not advocating voting Tory at all. It's actually a completely accurate summation of Scottish politics and sounds to me like a pitch to try to convince Tory unionists in the central belt to back Labour over the SNP, not sure why they would but a completely sensible pitch for the Scottish Labour leader to make. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, jmothecat said: So full quote: “The reality is the vast majority of seats across Scotland, it’s only the Labour party that can beat the SNP. “There are a few differences in the Borders and the Highlands where the Tories might be better placed but right across Scotland’s centre belt, where the vast majority of Scotland’s population lives, the only party that can beat the SNP is the Labour party.” That's not advocating voting Tory at all. It's actually a completely accurate summation of Scottish politics and sounds to me like a pitch to try to convince Tory unionists in the central belt to back Labour over the SNP, not sure why they would but a completely sensible pitch for the Scottish Labour leader to make. But why is a Scottish labour leader briefing against the snp to the obvious benefit of the tories? #Snp...baaaaaaa.......d Once again she positioned scottish labour as the tory yoon pazzi. Corbyn must be raging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 The first sentence that you quoted there clearly sets out the premise of her argument - To beat the SNP. Next she points out that although Labour are in pole position in most constituencies, there are places where the Conservatives are better placed. If you can't work out the implications of this, then I'm guessing you didn't do to well at English interpretation at school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 But why is a Scottish labour leader briefing against the snp to the obvious benefit of the tories? #Snp...baaaaaaa.......d Once again she positioned scottish labour as the tory yoon pazzi. Corbyn must be raging. She was encouraging people who may not be inclined to vote Labour, but dislike the SNP, to vote Labour in central belt constituencies. It's obvious there is an element of anti-SNP tactical voting in Scotland, she was hoovering that up and trying to prevent the Tories from being the only beneficiaries. In Edinburgh North and Leith, for example, where the Tories finished third behind Labour the Tories were campaigning suggesting they were best placed to beat the SNP. Kezia did the right thing to try to counteract that and make sure those voters went with Labour and not the Tories. I would be more angry if she had ignored that group of unionist floating voters as well as any Labour voters in winnable constituencies who might have been considering voting Tory for whatever reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, jmothecat said: So full quote: “The reality is the vast majority of seats across Scotland, it’s only the Labour party that can beat the SNP. “There are a few differences in the Borders and the Highlands where the Tories might be better placed but right across Scotland’s centre belt, where the vast majority of Scotland’s population lives, the only party that can beat the SNP is the Labour party.” That's not advocating voting Tory at all. It's actually a completely accurate summation of Scottish politics and sounds to me like a pitch to try to convince Tory unionists in the central belt to back Labour over the SNP, not sure why they would but a completely sensible pitch for the Scottish Labour leader to make. So reading between the lines ... If you live in x and want rid of the SNP vote Labour, but if you live in x you're better to vote Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 The first sentence that you quoted there clearly sets out the premise of her argument - To beat the SNP. Next she points out that although Labour are in pole position in most constituencies, there are places where the Conservatives are better placed. If you can't work out the implications of this, then I'm guessing you didn't do to well at English interpretation at school. It's absolutely clear what she was suggesting in those comments and it isn't voting Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: It's absolutely clear what she was suggesting in those comments and it isn't voting Tory. Why would she bother mentioning that the Tories are better placed than the Labour party to beat the SNP anywhere? What would she or the Labour party gain from this? The implication is that someone beating the SNP is the most important thing for Kez, and it doesn't matter who it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, jmothecat said: It's absolutely clear what she was suggesting in those comments and it isn't voting Tory. no, she was saying vote labour in the central belt and vote tory in the borders and north 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Why would she bother mentioning that the Tories are better placed than the Labour party to beat the SNP anywhere? What would she or the Labour party gain from this? The implication is that someone beating the SNP is the most important thing for Kez, and it doesn't matter who it is. She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, jmothecat said: She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. Of course it fucking is. You're either trolling, or thick as mince. Either way, stop it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmothecat said: She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. So what exactly DID her message say to 'voters who wanted to beat the SNP' who were not in the central belt (or other areas where Labour were best placed)? There is a clue in there if you look hard enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. ^^^^^^^^^^ This is Blairite spin. Pure and simple. Reality = She was telling folk to vote tory in certain areas to stop the snp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, jmothecat said: She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. Why did she mention the Tories and not the Lib Dems, who previously held and were 2nd in 2015 in many of the Highland and Border seats ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Delicious amount of seethe she causes amongst Labour and SNP supporters. Future PM material for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Classic jmothecat denial of the obvious here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 At no point does she suggest anyone should vote Conservative. Her quote is clear and unambiguous. It's typical SNP spin to try to portray it as something it clearly isn't. Just something for the 'left-wing' SNP voters to use to try to justify not voting for the only truly left-wing party on the ballot paper in most constituencies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Lex said: Delicious amount of seethe she causes amongst Labour and SNP supporters. Future PM material for sure. Endlessly repeating vacuous sound-bites didn't work out to well for the current incumbent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, jmothecat said: She was directly talking about and presumably to voters who wanted to beat the SNP. She conceded the point that Labour aren't best placed in certain constituencies to make the point that we are in most in the central belt. This is in no way encouraging voters to vote Tory. Slab teamed up with the Tories in Scotland, as usual, to stand against the SNP. Slab have forgotten that it's the Tories in government at Westminster and that it's the Tories that they should be against. They did the exact same thing in 2015. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just now, jmothecat said: At no point does she suggest anyone should vote Conservative. Her quote is clear and unambiguous. It's typical SNP spin to try to portray it as something it clearly isn't. Just something for the 'left-wing' SNP voters to use to try to justify not voting for the only truly left-wing party on the ballot paper in most constituencies. Just because she doesn't explicitly say "vote Conservative in the Borders and Highlands" doesn't mean she isn't suggesting it. I really don't see how this is difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Just because she doesn't explicitly say "vote Conservative in the Borders and Highlands" doesn't mean she isn't suggesting it. I really don't see how this is difficult. Why would she possibly suggest it? There is no advantage to her or for Labour for people to vote Tory over the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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