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43 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

While this is true, that option wouldn't have involved fucking over pupils for the prior performance of their schools which they have absolutely no control over, inevitably doing far more damage to pupils in poorer areas.

It's not about managing the political story, it's about what's right and wrong and this utter shambles is indisputably wrong.

SQA (and by association Scottish Government) were doomed for a bad news day whatever way this played. The public rage story could easily have been about the qualifications being devalued had the pass rates shot up by 10% compared to previous years. What's key to the students is that the appeals process functions well so that those with evidence that they have been harshly graded are accessed fairly and a crucial factor in this is that there will be no charge to the schools for appeals this year. Of course it is unfortunate the distress caused to these students and I think the SQA made a mistake not accepting completed coursework where available as part of the assessment, but these are unprecedented circumstances.

I get the feeling that the same ones moaning about say a pupil from Braidhurst not getting grades for medical school as they got 5As in prelims and 2As3Bs would be the same ones moaning that said student got a place with 3As2Bs being from a SIMD20 postcode over someone with 5As from Glasgow Academy living in Milngavie.

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9 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

While this is true, that option wouldn't have involved fucking over pupils for the prior performance of their schools which they have absolutely no control over, inevitably doing far more damage to pupils in poorer areas.

It's not about managing the political story, it's about what's right and wrong and this utter shambles is indisputably wrong.

Genuine question:  How should this have been organised? 

I have reservations about the entire process, but for the life of me, I honestly don't have a better idea.

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10 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

While this is true, that option wouldn't have involved fucking over pupils for the prior performance of their schools which they have absolutely no control over, inevitably doing far more damage to pupils in poorer areas.

It's not about managing the political story, it's about what's right and wrong and this utter shambles is indisputably wrong.

I'm trying not to be uncritical of the SNP but what would have been a better method?

the appeals process is there and you'd imagine that the top performing pupils at low performing schools will be th emian beneficieries of that. If that process catches and corrects the bulk of the main unfairnesses, I'd say they've got through this pretty much as well as can be expected.

Everyone knew that teachers were going to overestimate. Let the revision process drag that down to the norm and let the review process push back up any pupils who obviously got stung by that.

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Lets not forget that pass rates are higher than previous years - so it would appear that more have benefitted from the system than lost out (and those who feel hard done by can go through the appeals process)  There is a lassie on the BBC website saying her future is ruined as she got straight A's in prelims then downgraded in actual results - well wouldnt she be better talking to her teachers and putting forward a strong appeal case rather than going greeting to the press?

 

I really don't understand the faux outrage - all very political in my opinion

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2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Genuine question:  How should this have been organised? 

I have reservations about the entire process, but for the life of me, I honestly don't have a better idea.

It will be interesting to see the reaction in a few weeks when the English results are out- I would imagine the exact same thing will happen. 

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From another forum.

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The teachers estimates are far too high and needed moderation. There will always be folk who have been downgraded unfairly but hopefully the appeals process will take care of that.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

From another forum.

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The teachers estimates are far too high and needed moderation. There will always be folk who have been downgraded unfairly but hopefully the appeals process will take care of that.

 

 

Not surprised, some would appear to prefer almost all to get A's, "we'd rather devalue some well deserving kids efforts than upset some lesser light" seems to be the position of some,crackers.

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On 04/08/2020 at 17:34, Detournement said:

Not supporting the SNP plans for independence doesn't equate to supporting the Union or the Tory Party.

That's simplistic idiocy. 

It literally is that simple. If you don't support indepence then you support the Union. You're supporting the status quo.

On 04/08/2020 at 17:37, Detournement said:

The UK is a state. That's just reality. 

The problem with people like you is that you can't actually conceive that an independent Scotland could easily be worse than the UK. 

It could easily be worse. It could easily be better. It could easily be slightly different. 

The difference is we'd be governed by the party the majority of our country voted for. It's really that simple.

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20 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

From another forum.

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The teachers estimates are far too high and needed moderation. There will always be folk who have been downgraded unfairly but hopefully the appeals process will take care of that.

 

 

The teachers were assessing on the basis of work done so far not trying to guess who would have the best study period in the lead up to the exam.

Exams favour more affluent pupils. In a year without exams the SNP could have removed that inequality from the system. They chose to retain it. 

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14 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The teachers were assessing on the basis of work done so far not trying to guess who would have the best study period in the lead up to the exam.

Exams favour more affluent pupils. In a year without exams the SNP could have removed that inequality from the system. They chose to retain it. 

Could also have given everyone As and then there would be no inequality IMO.

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1 hour ago, Gordon EF said:

Could also have given everyone As and then there would be no inequality IMO.

It would have met their stated goal of reducing the attainment gap.

Might not have been entirely fair though.

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Why didn’t we simply give every pupil an A?

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Why didn’t we simply give every pupil an A?

I’ve been pointing this out to folk and then saying how much worse that would be. I’m an SNP apologist apparently. Mind fucking boggles.

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Those from the most deprived cohort had the highest uplift of marks. They’ve also had the highest record of attainment out of all categories this year. Folk aren’t celebrating this though?

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Maybe I’m looking at it simple here, I get why some individual pupils are upset at getting downgraded and some have clearly slipped through the cracks. But this is why the appeal process is free this year (it should be free anyway in my opinion) so this should be rectified.

But there will no doubt have been some schools that have tried to improve their standings by increasing their pupils grades...which is why it needed moderated.

It was never going to be perfect, but the alternative was delaying exams until the summer and that was never going to happen.

The best outcome now is to allow those to appeal who feel they have a case, and put in a plan for if this ever happens again.

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Maybe I’m looking at it simple here, I get why some individual pupils are upset at getting downgraded and some have clearly slipped through the cracks. But this is why the appeal process is free this year (it should be free anyway in my opinion) so this should be rectified.

But there will no doubt have been some schools that have tried to improve their standings by increasing their pupils grades...which is why it needed moderated.

It was never going to be perfect, but the alternative was delaying exams until the summer and that was never going to happen.

The best outcome now is to allow those to appeal who feel they have a case, and put in a plan for if this ever happens again.

Wrong. This is a classist assault on the downtrodden children of Scotland. Vote Labour /s

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7 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:


Wrong. This is a classist assault on the downtrodden children of Scotland. Vote Labour /s

Coward's move to signal sarcasm. Give everyone a chance to misinterpret your tone and have a head's gone.

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Coward's move to signal sarcasm. Give everyone a chance to misinterpret your tone and have a head's gone.

Apologies. :(

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So it looks like the SNP Economic Recovery Group big idea is selling off our renewable energy capacity to the private sector. 

 

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