Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[FFCinthearea]

3 hours ago, Aufc said:

Quite disappointing to see the SNPs energy strategy looking to stop new oil fields. Whilst I am on board with moving to a greener society, this wont happen overnight and oil & gas is going to a key part of the UKs energy strategy for the next 25 years at least. So why is she so keen to wipe the industry out as soon as possible? All that will end up happening is we will need to import product from abroad. Why not extract every possible amount to help fund the transition to greener sources. 

Sadly that's what happens when you have nutters like Patrick Harvie propping up your majority.

[Aufc]

33 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

Sadly that's what happens when you have nutters like Patrick Harvie propping up your majority.

Its a fairly mute point as energy is decided within Westminster. However, these are the kind of decisions that make me question voting yes if there is ever an independence vote

[Dawson Park Boy]

2 hours ago, FFCinthearea said:

Sadly that's what happens when you have nutters like Patrick Harvie propping up your majority.

It’s complete madness.

What they’re saying is that as we reduce our oil and gas production we increase imports at the expense of Scottish jobs.

Yes, increase green energy but it will be decades before we can exist without fossil fuels.

This is beyond belief!!

[Detournement]

6 hours ago, Aufc said:

Quite disappointing to see the SNPs energy strategy looking to stop new oil fields. Whilst I am on board with moving to a greener society, this wont happen overnight and oil & gas is going to a key part of the UKs energy strategy for the next 25 years at least. So why is she so keen to wipe the industry out as soon as possible? All that will end up happening is we will need to import product from abroad. Why not extract every possible amount to help fund the transition to greener sources. 

Given that we have relatively large amounts of renewable resources and any new fields will have diminishing returns in terms of energy effiency and tax take it seems like we should be leading the way in terms of "keeping it in the ground".

If not Scotland (and Norway) then who?

Edited January 11, 2023 by Detournement

[git-intae-thum]

I am all for Scotgov putting any barriers to new extraction in place that are available to them.

I don't want our remaining reserves to continue getting drained away into the pockets of Westminsters big money chums.

Upon its restoration as a sovereign state, Scotland should be aiming for its own version of statoil and a public fund.

After that..... open the taps and let it flow.

Use the remaining oil wealth to  fund the full transition to publicly owned renewable energy.

Future benefits of our energy resources should benefit the whole nation.......not just the energy billionaires. 

[StellarHibee]

The climate change situation is far more critical than people generally realize. A gradual transition from fossil fuels to green energy over the next several decades simply won't cut it anymore. You can expect to see a rapid shift occur across the whole of Europe over the next few years. Not because it's convenient, but because it's absolutely necessary at this point.

[Aufc]

18 minutes ago, StellarHibee said:

The climate change situation is far more critical than people generally realize. A gradual transition from fossil fuels to green energy over the next several decades simply won't cut it anymore. You can expect to see a rapid shift occur across the whole of Europe over the next few years. Not because it's convenient, but because it's absolutely necessary at this point.

But we also need a current regular supply and green energy can’t do this. 

[StellarHibee]

3 minutes ago, Aufc said:

But we also need a current regular supply and green energy can’t do this. 

It can. But we'd need to cut our exports in the short to medium term for it to be sustainable. Certainly not ideal economically, but the necessity of doing so far outweighs the economics. 

[git-intae-thum]

2 hours ago, StellarHibee said:

It can. But we'd need to cut our exports in the short to medium term for it to be sustainable. Certainly not ideal economically, but the necessity of doing so far outweighs the economics. 

Any deduction Scotland makes or imposes is a grain of sand on the beach in comparison to the large polluters.

It would be shear lunacy for an iScotland not to fully exploit its oil reserve. Only this would allow the public purchase of the renewable energy industry, ensuring our collective wealth........and ability to fund important research and development in the sector.

That is surely a better long term and sustainable plan towards funding and ensuring our move to 100% renewable and taking a position as true world leaders in green energy. Far better than the current gesture politics pish getting spouted.

 

[StellarHibee]

On 11/01/2023 at 23:26, git-intae-thum said:

Any deduction Scotland makes or imposes is a grain of sand on the beach in comparison to the large polluters.

It would be shear lunacy for an iScotland not to fully exploit its oil reserve. Only this would allow the public purchase of the renewable energy industry, ensuring our collective wealth........and ability to fund important research and development in the sector.

That is surely a better long term and sustainable plan towards funding and ensuring our move to 100% renewable and taking a position as true world leaders in green energy. Far better than the current gesture politics pish getting spouted.

 

What you describe is economic idealism, while completely ignoring the rate in which the switch to green energy needs to occur. It's not "gesture politics" as you bluntly put it. It's actually a very real situation that many simply don't want to face up to.

Edited January 13, 2023 by StellarHibee

[Todd_is_God]

On 11/01/2023 at 20:24, StellarHibee said:

The climate change situation is far more critical than people generally realize. A gradual transition from fossil fuels to green energy over the next several decades simply won't cut it anymore. You can expect to see a rapid shift occur across the whole of Europe over the next few years. Not because it's convenient, but because it's absolutely necessary at this point.

Unless you are a genuine expert in this field (and the probability of this is low) then you have absolutely no idea if this is true or not. How (and why) do you parrot this with such arrogance?

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

[StellarHibee]

22 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Unless you are a genuine expert in this field (and the probability of this is low) then you have absolutely no idea if this is true or not. How (and why) do you parrot this with such arrogance?

Because it's not at all possible to simply listen to what the genuine expert's in the field are saying? Perhaps you're one of those special cases who writes 99% of the experts off because you don't like what they have to say and have convinced yourself that they're all part of the great big conspiracy.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, StellarHibee said:

Because it's not at all possible to simply listen to what the genuine expert's in the field are saying?

Because that worked very well with Covid...

1 minute ago, StellarHibee said:

because you don't like what they have to say and have convinced yourself that they're all part of the great big conspiracy

I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. But I do believe they are more likely to be wrong than they are right.

[StellarHibee]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Because that worked very well with Covid...

It would have if everybody had actually bothered to follow the advice rather than buying into alt-right conspiracy theories.

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. But I do believe they are more likely to be wrong than they are right.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're more likely to be wrong than right as opposed to those who have spent decades of their lives working in this particular field.

[Granny Danger]

12 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

Unless you are a genuine expert in this field (and the probability of this is low) then you have absolutely no idea if this is true or not. How (and why) do you parrot this with such arrogance?

Wow.  The single most unintentionally ironic post in the history of P&B.

[Dawson Park Boy]

37 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Wow.  The single most unintentionally ironic post in the history of P&B.

Why is that?

He was correct about all the nonsense that was spouted about Covid.

If we had had no lockdowns we would have been in a much better financial position with the same number of deaths.

It was like trying to hold back the tide.

Never a good idea.

[Wee Bully]

8 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Why is that?

He was correct about all the nonsense that was spouted about Covid.

If we had had no lockdowns we would have been in a much better financial position with the same number of deaths.

It was like trying to hold back the tide.

Never a good idea.

Utter fantasy nonsense.

He will always be remembered for declaring it over as a public health emergency in August 2020.  

Edited January 14, 2023 by Wee Bully

[DeeTillEhDeh]

On 11/01/2023 at 10:25, fatshaft said:

Well basically everyone who has joined is ex-SNP so there'a bout 10,000 activists gone, my own branch has had 3 or 4 activists go, hefty considering you're looking at at most 20 hard core volunteers, and a couple more are going to give it one last push or they are off as well 

This is fantasist pish of the first degree.

[StellarHibee]

49 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

If we had had no lockdowns we would have been in a much better financial position with the same number of deaths.

Is that what your bampot groupies on facebook and twitter tell you?