orfc Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I have no idea what a 'branch levy' supposedly is because I've never heard of any such thing, but it's also worth pointing out that he appears to be contending that SNP membership was 86,000 at the end of 2019, which nobody is arguing about in the first place. We were 3 weeks ago. There were people arguing it was still 103,000 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, orfc said: Well well well Big wings was right... I don't think anyone doubted that people had left the party, but it still has more members than all the other parties combined, and the people who have left likely include almost everyone daft enough to vote for Ash Regan, so I wouldn't call that a victory for the Bath Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Too wee? Not at all. Too poor? Don't be daft. Too stupid? The jury is very much still out on that, I'm afraid... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Looks like she might be up for grabs soon. Few of the fanboys on here might be looking to get their hole.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 The juxtaposition yesterday should not be lost. Whilst Johnson was trying and failing to justify his outrageous behaviour, Sturgeon was humbly apologising for forced adoptions. Today sees Nicola's last First Minister's Questions and I wonder if Douglas Ross will find that charm gene he has been searching for for all of his political life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 16/03/2023 at 22:19, welshbairn said: I don't think anyone doubted that people had left the party, but it still has more members than all the other parties combined, and the people who have left likely include almost everyone daft enough to vote for Ash Regan, so I wouldn't call that a victory for the Bath Party. It's not about a win for Wings. It's about him providing the correct information, yet again, which had previously been rubbished by the SNP and it's followers, including those on here. He's a nasty wee nyaff, but his analysis is generally spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, sophia said: The juxtaposition yesterday should not be lost. Whilst Johnson was trying and failing to justify his outrageous behaviour, Sturgeon was humbly apologising for forced adoptions. Today sees Nicola's last First Minister's Questions and I wonder if Douglas Ross will find that charm gene he has been searching for for all of his political life. Ross will start by saying something like "thanks for your years of service"then spend 5 times as long saying "however, SNP bad, Education, Economy, Memebership, Drug Deaths" etc He is, as you say, an utterly charmless man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, sophia said: The juxtaposition yesterday should not be lost. Whilst Johnson was trying and failing to justify his outrageous behaviour, Sturgeon was humbly apologising for forced adoptions. Today sees Nicola's last First Minister's Questions and I wonder if Douglas Ross will find that charm gene he has been searching for for all of his political life. Apologised to those accused of witchcraft too. She absolutely loves apologising for things she had nothing to do with. Maybe she should apologise for treading water for 8 years and leaving the SNP in a state. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, sophia said: The juxtaposition yesterday should not be lost. Whilst Johnson was trying and failing to justify his outrageous behaviour, Sturgeon was humbly apologising for forced adoptions. Today sees Nicola's last First Minister's Questions and I wonder if Douglas Ross will find that charm gene he has been searching for for all of his political life. People shouldn’t be apologising for things over which they had no control. Complete nonsense. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) L'État, c'est moi. The victims of forced adoption had been asking for decades for recognition of the harm done to them by the State's institutions and the FM offered it on behalf of the nation. I don't see how anyone can think this was a bad thing for her to do. Edited March 23, 2023 by welshbairn 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: L'État, c'est moi. Nous sommes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: Ross will start by saying something like "thanks for your years of service"then spend 5 times as long saying "however, SNP bad, Education, Economy, Memebership, Drug Deaths" etc He is, as you say, an utterly charmless man. Correct on all counts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 59 minutes ago, welshbairn said: L'État, c'est moi. The victims of forced adoption had been asking for decades for recognition of the harm done to them by the State's institutions and the FM offered it on behalf of the nation. I don't see how anyone can think this was a bad thing for her to do. It’s not a bad thing. However, the Scottish Parliament didn’t even exist back then. Which institution was in charge of this scandal back in the day? I’m assuming the apology should be coming from Westminster. Is she apologising because care of children has since been devolved to Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 People's cynicism on this is completely understandable. State does something terrible to it's citizens - apology issued 50 years later by someone who had no role in it. While I don't think it's particularly bad or wrong for Sturgeon to do this, I mean these people deserve an apology and no one else seems bothered about doing it, but she's clearly leaving herself open to accusations of grandstanding here given the timing. The real issue of course isn't Sturgeon's actual apology. It's the cynical nature of the state and it's institutions and the political class who inhabit them. I look forward to whoever is First Minister in 2053 apologising for the care home or drug deaths and receiving some sweet, sweet political credit from their supporters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 She wasnt that good and she wasnt that bad would seem accurate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Scary Bear said: It’s not a bad thing. However, the Scottish Parliament didn’t even exist back then. Which institution was in charge of this scandal back in the day? I’m assuming the apology should be coming from Westminster. Is she apologising because care of children has since been devolved to Scotland? Had to get the apology out before Forbes gets elected and doesn't see a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 MacWhirter sounds like Jilted John here... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-has-destroyed-her-own-reputation/ (apologies for link to Tory rag) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I see the latest ferry knuckle rapping has rolled out today https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65041183 How heartfelt will the apology be here? Or is it different when it's actually issues she's caused? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/23/and-its-goodbye-from-her-an-emotional-nicola-sturgeon-quits-the-stage John Crace with an appreciative, measured piece in The Grauniad. He also lets us know what he thinks of DRoss. "Sturgeon looked as if she was struggling to contain her emotions. This was quite a moment. A tectonic shift in Scottish politics. Nicola might not be regarded quite so highly inside Scotland as she often is outside. The Scots are less tolerant of the SNP’s shortcomings in government. South of the border, she appears somehow more significant. Especially when compared with the likes of David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. And even her opponents have to admit that hers is a rare political career that isn’t ending in abject failure. Most leaders would kill to win eight elections on the bounce." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 23/03/2023 at 07:45, Leith Green said: Ross will start by saying something like "thanks for your years of service"then spend 5 times as long saying "however, SNP bad, Education, Economy, Memebership, Drug Deaths" etc He is, as you say, an utterly charmless man. He's pretty stupid as well. To paraphrase the late AA Gill "a talking Toby Jug, filled to the brim with hot piss." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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