Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said: Shafi tried to dissolve it but it seems the majority of the RIC ignored him and have carried on. It was always a movement based on local branches rather than an all-powerful national leadership. The attitude of the branches seems to have been "Oh, you're leaving? Bye then." The RIC have had national meetings on a couple of occasions since Shafi and the Trot cadres departure. Cheers mate. As a Unionist, I always considered them to be a formidable force. They did a lot of effective work in the schemes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, spongeheid15 said: Clearly supports the union of the crowns but not the parliaments. Move along... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Clearly supports the union of the crowns but not the parliaments. Move along... Invited to official shindig in her capacity as FM, makes diplomatic smalltalk with Queen, mentions independence. She's good. Didn't get booed either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 36 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: You're going to be in for a shock, Zern. I'm seeing a lot of talk about 2023. Mention of budgeting even. I'm sure it's nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Sturgeon is a great politican and has made the SNP a lot more accessible than under Salmond. She's very good at what she does and when she leaves for her NGO or UN job I'll remember her in a relatively positive light. I think the weird twitter lesbian stuff is really disgusting and bottom of the barrel smear stuff. There's definitely too many wrong uns in the Unionst camp at the moment. What I do fault her on is how she has morphed the SNP into being some establishment career politican gravy train hub. Perhaps a long game strategy... I can certainly see why Alba Das get frustrated at her tactics and act up, also I think her selective amnesia during the internal enquiry was deplorable, nowhere near Boris and his lies but still pretty shameful for what most people would want a functioning accountable democracy to look like. SNP face the same political cyclical problem that the Tories are going through where due to their dedication to winning rather than anything politically substantive they don't have anyone that looks anywhere near being capable of matching their current leaders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, Zern said: I'm seeing a lot of talk about 2023. Mention of budgeting even. I'm sure it's nothing. Fancy a wager? If a referendum is held in 2023 you win, and if not then it's yet another win for the Freshener? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Fancy a wager? If a referendum is held in 2023 you win, and if not then it's yet another win for the Freshener? There it is again. 2023, and referendum Everyone's talking about it. Even those who would supposedly not vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zern said: There it is again. 2023, and referendum Everyone's talking about it. Even those who would supposedly not vote. Not only are you unable to counter my points, but you're unable to put your money where your mouth is too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zern said: There it is again. 2023, and referendum Everyone's talking about it. Even those who would supposedly not vote. 7 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Not only are you unable to counter my points, but you're unable to put your money where your mouth is too. Cool your jets, you two, FFS! Much more fun is to be had by pointing and laughing at the Natwits! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Not only are you unable to counter my points, but you're unable to put your money where your mouth is too. It's all this talk of referendums and 2023. It's very distracting. Will you be voting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Ivo den Bieman said: Jonathan Shafi is a divisive figure (RISE were a joke, and his antics over trying to disolve the Radical Independence Campaign lost him a lot of credibility), but his new long-form analyses of Scottish politics seem pretty convincing to me. Shall we say he's not at all optimistic about the prospect of another referendum, and increasingly sees the SNP ar corporate, right wing, and much more interested in appearing "reasonable" on issues such as NATO membership, and in not rocking the boat generally, than in the votes and motivations of the membership. A long read, but worthwhile. https://jonathonshafi.substack.com/p/tipping-point?s=r Shafi and others on the left have been banging this drum for a while now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Shafi and others on the left have been banging this drum for a while now. Yeah, and with some justification. Like I say Shafi is not for everyone and some ask why anyone should bother listening when his own political career ended in complete farce. But then some analysts shouldn't be politicians, I guess. The SNP's rightward drift since the late twenty-teens has been pretty undeniable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said: Yeah, and with some justification. Like I say Shafi is not for everyone and some ask why anyone should bother listening when his own political career ended in complete farce. But then some analysts shouldn't be politicians, I guess. The SNP's rightward drift since the late twenty-teens has been pretty undeniable. Aye, I agree with most of what Shafi says there. It's why I no longer vote SNP. I can understand the need for the broad church stuff and their determination not to scare people off, but it's beginning to be counterproductive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Cool your jets, you two, FFS! Much more fun is to be had by pointing and laughing at the Natwits! I actually agree with you Kinc. I find it too easy to get sucked in. One of my weaknesses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Zern said: It's all this talk of referendums and 2023. It's very distracting. Will you be voting? Before I answer.. fancy a wager? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, Day of the Lords said: A seething nutcase, a weapons-grade simpleton, the resident troll and an alcoholic. What a time to be alive That's no way to talk about yourself buddy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: A seething nutcase, a weapons-grade simpleton, the resident troll and an alcoholic. What a time to be alive You're too hard on yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: I actually agree with you Kinc. I find it too easy to get sucked in. One of my weaknesses. Speaking of 'sucked in' I see that @Day of the Lordshas posted. A man so dense that light bends round him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: You're too hard on yourself. Ooft - stealing the trolling sock puppet’s patter? Poor show, BB. Edited June 5, 2022 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, The_Kincardine said: Speaking of 'sucked in' I see that @Day of the Lordshas posted. A man so dense that light bends round him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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