williemillersmoustache Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Antlion said: Doesn’t seem to be stopping the homophobia running rampant. The usual suspects are already excitedly outing themselves (ironically enough) as bigoted homophobes by throwing around terms like “r*g-munching”; they appear to see same-sex relationships as deviant and are only too happy to spread rumours that Nippy (boo!) is one of them queeries. Moths to a flame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Antlion said: Doesn’t seem to be stopping the homophobia running rampant. The usual suspects are already excitedly outing themselves (ironically enough) as bigoted homophobes by throwing around terms like “r*g-munching”; they appear to see same-sex relationships as deviant and are only too happy to spread rumours that Nippy (boo!) is one of them queeries. Where is all this coming from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Where is all this coming from?It's been doing the rounds on various Unionist twitter accounts for ages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: It's been doing the rounds on various Unionist twitter accounts for ages. Okay, thanks. I don’t do twitter so means nothing to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigDoddyKane Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Im not a SNP supporter(Indy voter but not alba)and up until about a year ago I thought they ran things better than labour did or anyone else.. I have realised now with some history and hindsigt that they dont run things any better. What has improved things slightly is a devolved governmet what would improve things sightly more is an independent government. The snp isnt any better than any other party but the structure of independence would be better even if its just slightly better. Edited May 23, 2022 by BigDoddyKane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, BigDoddyKane said: Im not a SNP supporter(Indy voter but not alba)and up until about a year ago I thought they ran things better than labour did or anyone else.. I have realised now with some history and hindsigt that they dont run things any better. What has improved things slightly is a devolved governmet what would improve things sightly more is an independent government. The snp isnt any better than any other party but the structure of independence would be better even if its just slightly better. There really isn't much of a reason to believe that independent government would mean any improvement if you don't trust the SNP. Ultimately what it would just mean is that the SNP would be in power for 5-10 years with less money to actually govern with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Possibly too wee, slightly poorer, equally stupid? Hey, it's progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 hours ago, DMCs said: There really isn't much of a reason to believe that independent government would mean any improvement if you don't trust the SNP. Ultimately what it would just mean is that the SNP would be in power for 5-10 years with less money to actually govern with. It's quite a leap to assume the first 5-10 years of Independence would be led by the SNP. The structure of every political party in Scotland would alter markedly, some would no longer exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: It's quite a leap to assume the first 5-10 years of Independence would be led by the SNP. The structure of every political party in Scotland would alter markedly, some would no longer exist. Don't think it's much of a stretch at all. It's very common for the party that achieves independence to be rewarded with power for a decent while after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, DMCs said: Don't think it's much of a stretch at all. It's very common for the party that achieves independence to be rewarded with power for a decent while after. How many years will we have to have the corrupt and incompetent Tories governing us (with less money and more racism) since Johnson and his spivs managed to gain independence from the EU? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 hours ago, DMCs said: Don't think it's much of a stretch at all. It's very common for the party that achieves independence to be rewarded with power for a decent while after. Thinking of nations in Europe which have become independent or regime free, specifically Czechoslovakia splitting after the Hypher War in 1993, or even Portugal after the Carnation Revolution in 1974, that wasn't really the case. Perhaps you are basing your thoughts on countries which overcame colonialism by, for example, the British (Empire), but that wouldn't be a good comparison with likely Scottish developments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMCs Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Thinking of nations in Europe which have become independent or regime free, specifically Czechoslovakia splitting after the Hypher War in 1993, or even Portugal after the Carnation Revolution in 1974, that wasn't really the case. Perhaps you are basing your thoughts on countries which overcame colonialism by, for example, the British (Empire), but that wouldn't be a good comparison with likely Scottish developments. Havel was instrumental in the Velvet revolution and the direct successor party of the one he founded has been the most successful electorally in the new Czech state so I'm not really sure what you are referring to there. Similar situations with Poland, Croatia and Slovenia. Now you could say it is a very different situation as we aren't going to be a post-communist state. But it is a pattern that exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 11 hours ago, DMCs said: Don't think it's much of a stretch at all. It's very common for the party that achieves independence to be rewarded with power for a decent while after. If the SNP remain in their present form post Independence and if they are voted into office that will be its because what the Scottish electorate want. It’s called democracy; personally I’m in favour of it. FWIW I am fairly certain there will be a realignment of political parties soon after Independence. One other crucial factor is that any government will be elected by PR ensuring a far more representative government whatever the party political structure. It won’t be like Westminster where you can get an 80 seat majority on forty odd percent of the vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, DMCs said: Havel was instrumental in the Velvet revolution and the direct successor party of the one he founded has been the most successful electorally in the new Czech state so I'm not really sure what you are referring to there. Similar situations with Poland, Croatia and Slovenia. Now you could say it is a very different situation as we aren't going to be a post-communist state. But it is a pattern that exists. Fair comment: I was finding it difficult to think of a comparable situation, and there possibly isn't one. Havel isn't a good example, I was thinking of Slovakia becoming independent of the new Czechoslovakia, but that's not a great case either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 A very tedious line, among so many others, is that independence is some grand evil plan to make Nicola our Queen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: A very tedious line, among so many others, is that independence is some grand evil plan to make Nicola our Queen. Remember when it was all about Eck. "Oh, so you want to replace OUR QUEEN with President Salmond, is that it?" If we really need a Head of State, aye, I'd quite them to be accountable to us. Crazy, I know. Be nice if we could do something about their hoarding of land, property, and wealth too, but start small. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, BFTD said: Remember when it was all about Eck. "Oh, so you want to replace OUR QUEEN with President Salmond, is that it?" If we really need a Head of State, aye, I'd quite them to be accountable to us. Crazy, I know. Be nice if we could do something about their hoarding of land, property, and wealth too, but start small. If people are really sold on an hereditary monarchy we can just appoint a new royal family based on a postcode draw. ”We are delighted to announce that the new king and queen are Bill and Susan Chalmers from Stirling. Bill has been a postal worker for 28 years and Susan has recently gone part-time at Tesco to help with looking after their first grandchild, Emily. Bill is a lifelong supporter of Stirling Albion and has a season…” I’ve taken that too far haven’t I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If people are really sold on an hereditary monarchy we can just appoint a new royal family based on a postcode draw. ”We are delighted to announce that the new king and queen are Bill and Susan Chalmers from Stirling. Bill has been a postal worker for 28 years and Susan has recently gone part-time at Tesco to help with looking after their first grandchild, Emily. Bill is a lifelong supporter of Stirling Albion and has a season…” I’ve taken that too far haven’t I? Shouldn’t we limit those who can enter the draw to people who can demonstrate that their family histories include mass-murdering, inbred weirdos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Antlion said: Shouldn’t we limit those who can enter the draw to people who can demonstrate that their family histories include mass-murdering, inbred weirdos? So King Granny. Are you sure? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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