Rugster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Fabulous news. She’s a despicable human being. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 What a way to lose your head 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Women that have sincere concerns about gender ID are branded bigots and others on both sides of the debate are intolerant of anyone having a different view to them. SNP officialdom is a joke just now. I can see why Sturgeon has decided to take action and try to move on. Yes movement was massively helped by a progressive attitude to equality and she's keen for that to continue. Rather than be tarred as just nationalism. My hope too but challenge is to still facilitate debate on difficult issues and not just take the easy option. There does appear to be a more intolerant feel about the snp just now. I believe some are overzealous. I used to be strident in my youth but didn't have the ability to brand people as bigots on social media for simply disagreeing. A lot of activists put me right off independence. Losers that would argue in an empty room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Nicola Sturgeon the most popular leader in the UK, poll findshttps://www.thenational.scot/news/19054486.nicola-sturgeon-popular-leader-uk-poll-finds/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think the SNP just lost my vote. I don't think Scotland will ever become independent.Could P&B not lose your vote as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 lol @ Joanna Cherry imagine committing career suicide trying to f**k over marginalised people ah well, how sad, never mind it's only a matter of time until 2021's equivalent of Change UK is launched in Scotland, with Joanna Cherry as Salmond's deputy. wonder who their mike gapes will be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Holy f**k. Does that nutter think Cherry was the key to Independence? [emoji23]Some people on that thread are completely unaware of Cherry supporting a known antisemite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, tirso said: Women that have sincere concerns about gender ID are branded bigots and others on both sides of the debate are intolerant of anyone having a different view to them. SNP officialdom is a joke just now. I can see why Sturgeon has decided to take action and try to move on. Yes movement was massively helped by a progressive attitude to equality and she's keen for that to continue. Rather than be tarred as just nationalism. My hope too but challenge is to still facilitate debate on difficult issues and not just take the easy option. There does appear to be a more intolerant feel about the snp just now. I believe some are overzealous. I used to be strident in my youth but didn't have the ability to brand people as bigots on social media for simply disagreeing. A lot of activists put me right off independence. Losers that would argue in an empty room. Yeah, even to want to discuss certain aspects or ask questions get you immediately branded a bigot. Dissent of any form is not tolerated. Its amazing people can't see how dangerous that is. Cherry's only 'crime' is to believe biology is real. She doesn't want to take any rights away from trans people, or deny them the right to live their lives how they please. And she is someone who has fought for equal rights all her adult life and faced decades of discrimination herself. Its very sad this is the hill that Scottish independence is going to die on, laughable though really not funny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yeah, even to want to discuss certain aspects or ask questions get you immediately branded a bigot. Dissent of any form is not tolerated. Its amazing people can't see how dangerous that is. Cherry's only 'crime' is to believe biology is real. She doesn't want to take any rights away from trans people, or deny them the right to live their lives how they please. And she is someone who has fought for equal rights all her adult life and faced decades of discrimination herself. Its very sad this is the hill that Scottish independence is going to die on, laughable though really not funny.Do you think she is right to offer support to a known antisemite? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Brilliant news. She’s well dodgy and the party will go from strength to strength without her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Is there a party for folk that are bemused by the cherry 'faction' AND the 'student' politics faction that abuses anyone they don't like? Snp needs to grow up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Do you think she is right to offer support to a known antisemite? She didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, tirso said: Is there a party for folk that are bemused by the cherry 'faction' AND the 'student' politics faction that abuses anyone they don't like? Snp needs to grow up. I think a split is coming. The best hope is that NS has to step down in a few weeks, then the party could maybe begin to be repaired. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Cherry is still in the SNP, still my fucking MP and literally the only that happened is she has lost a title for a meaningless job at Westminster. Well, I mean I was going to vote Yes, but her losing a title has really slammed me back into the No camp, I'm away to wrap myself in a Union Jack. Edited February 1, 2021 by renton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 CYG you are deluded if you think Cherry gone = independence dead. Give yourself a shake son. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 An impetus on both sides for grown-up conversation - as opposed to twitter screaming matches - and an agreed, unified stance on how the case for independence can be best presented seems like the sensible approach to take just three months before an election of this magnitude. Whatever your thoughts on Cherry, driving an axe into already bitter, pointless factions, is monumentally stupid and it all has a very unpleasant New Labour feel. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: I think a split is coming. The best hope is that NS has to step down in a few weeks, then the party could maybe begin to be repaired. See I don't remotely agree with that either! But hey I won't brand you a bigot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, tirso said: See I don't remotely agree with that either! But hey I won't brand you a bigot. That's good, shame more aren't like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AMMjag said: An impetus on both sides for grown-up conversation - as opposed to twitter screaming matches - and an agreed, unified stance on how the case for independence can be best presented seems like the sensible approach to take just three months before an election of this magnitude. Whatever your thoughts on Cherry, driving an axe into already bitter, pointless factions, is monumentally stupid and it all has a very unpleasant New Labour feel. That's not gonna happen. The woke Nazis do not tolerate any dissent whatsoever. You can't even ask a question, ask for clarification or explanation, express any dissent. You comply fully with their beliefs, and that's what they are just beliefs not facts, or you're a bigot. That's it, end of story. So any hope for a grown-up conversation is forlorn. I've asked before on here can anyone give an example of even one transphobic thing Joanna Cherry has ever said or done in her entire life and nobody can give even one example. That tells you where we are. Read why Andy Wightman left the Greens, same thing. Edited February 1, 2021 by Carnoustie Young Guvnor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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