Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[Dunfermline Don]

One of the saddest aspects of the Brexit farrago has been the lurch to the right of The Herald newspaper, in which Iain McWhirter is a long-time columnist. The list is long - Andrew McKie, Struan Stevenson, Alan Simpson, Mark Smith, Andy McIver, Guy Stenhouse, the bampot Stuart Waiton and now Kevin Hague.

As someone posted on that feed, it seems to get a gig there that you need to recant your previous views, and Kevin McKenna and Tom Gordon are further examples. Iain McConnell has been like a beacon of common sense during this time; I can only assume he's been overlooked.

I don’t think the Herald has ever been the same since we lost Ian Bell. His Column was the main reason I used to buy it.
I don’t buy any print media now unless I need something to start a bonfire or dry out my walking boots.

[sophia]

21 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said:

I don’t think the Herald has ever been the same since we lost Ian Bell. His Column was the main reason I used to buy it.
I don’t buy any print media now unless I need something to start a bonfire or dry out my walking boots.

Ian Bell was indeed a huge loss and I certainly don't recall purchasing a physical newspaper in the five years that have elapsed since we lost him. Paying for polemic that is as tired as Macwhirter's or just downright poor quality isn't something that I can't see me caring for can't time soon.

[welshbairn]

23 hours ago, MixuFruit said:

Before electoral reality shut them the f**k up, the libdems were running around regurgitating a line like "if leaving a 40 year union is hard, imagine leaving a 300 year union" so I suppose someone else will dust that off and start using it.

[Detournement]

On 27/12/2020 at 14:19, NotThePars said:

If you're pointing fingers at Remainers that caused Brexit then the SNP are nowhere close to People's Vote, Lib Dems, CHUKTIG and the PLP lol. And the SNP had a far more justifiable angle for opposing Brexit than any of the charlatans down south did.

The SNP were a core part of it.

And Sturgeon was literally cuddling up to Alistair Campbell the war criminal on the big march.

The opportunity to get a decent Brexit was the indicative votes and the People's Vote idiots gambled on getting another referendum.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Detournement

[NotThePars]

10 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The SNP were a core part of it.

And Sturgeon was literally cuddling up to Alistair Campbell the war criminal on the big march.

The opportunity to get a decent Brexit was the indicative votes and the People's Vote idiots gambled on getting another referendum.

Right but their stated goal aligned with their actual goals and they did magnitudes less damage to Labour's chances and overturning Brexit as a result than any of the other significant parties involved in PV.

[John Lambies Doos]

Aye@Detournement. Brexit was all the SNPs fault [emoji849]

[welshbairn]

May's deal was virtually identical to Johnson's, their red lines determined it. The only difference was that Boris was prepared to shaft the DUP and the North Sea fishing mafia to get it. As it turns out NI have come out of it better than anyone, but also more closely entwined with Ireland. There will be a lot of fixed grins trying to claim credit and trying to hide the fury. It has zero to do with the SNP, there was never the numbers to stop it with the Libdems and Tory rebels refusing to back Corbyn, even for a short time.

Edited December 28, 2020 by welshbairn

[Detournement]

There were enough votes for a Customs Union if the SNP backed it. A hard Brexit was assured on the day this happened.

 

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

The SNP were a core part of it.

And Sturgeon was literally cuddling up to Alistair Campbell the war criminal on the big march.

The opportunity to get a decent Brexit was the indicative votes and the People's Vote idiots gambled on getting another referendum.

Watch you don't freeze to death on that high moral ground. In line with the Scottish vote the SNP were implacably opposed to any form of Brexit, a line they have stuck to since. I'll wager that had they compromised you'd have quickly leapt on here to accuse them.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

There were enough votes for a Customs Union if the SNP backed it. A hard Brexit was assured on the day this happened.

 
 

You really are a duplicitous arsehole.

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

The SNP were a core part of it.

And Sturgeon was literally cuddling up to Alistair Campbell the war criminal on the big march.

The opportunity to get a decent Brexit was the indicative votes and the People's Vote idiots gambled on getting another referendum.

Watch you don't freeze to death on that high moral ground. In line with the Scottish vote the SNP were implacably opposed to any form of Brexit, a line they have stuck to since. I'll wager that had they compromised you'd have quickly leapt on here to accuse them.

No leaving the customs union is daft especially if you are pro EU as the SNP are.

And even more so if you are responsible for the part of the UK which will get fucked the most if the channel crossing closes.

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

This isn't the socialist Scotland people like Detournement want

The SNP will have to move a long way if they want to meet him half way on displacement theory and ways to combat it.

[Detournement]

15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

42 minutes ago, Detournement said:

There were enough votes for a Customs Union if the SNP backed it. A hard Brexit was assured on the day this happened.

 
 

You really are a duplicitous arsehole.

I looked back on the Brexit thread and you wanted the SNP to back the Customs Union on the very day of this vote! You do not disapoint.

 

[John Lambies Doos]

HB absolutely hates the SNP

Delicious

[NotThePars]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I looked back on the Brexit thread and you wanted the SNP to back the Customs Union on the very day of this vote! You do not disapoint.

 

 

loooool

Edited December 28, 2020 by NotThePars

[Detournement]

14 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

 

This isn't the socialist Scotland people like Detournement want, and it's fair enough if you don't want to choose between two undesirable choices but unless you're willing to lead a revolution it does rather undermine your criticisms.

It's not a choice if both options are the same.

We have seen the media reaction at the prospect of people voting for a genuine alternative and I don't think it'll be allowed to happen again.

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

HB absolutely hates the SNP

Delicious

Well I actually live here and I might need to live with this.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I looked back on the Brexit thread and you wanted the SNP to back the Customs Union on the very day of this vote! You do not disapoint.
 

Your point is?

As others have said - it does not matter what the SNP does - you just sit and criticise.

Once a c**t always a c**t.

[welshbairn]

Can't remember the timing but was this when Johnson was given the FO job that he fucked up spectacularly and May assumed would finish him off for good?

On 07/09/2016 at 12:54, Ad Lib said:

I'm increasingly convinced May is giving the key Brexit voices a public opportunity to self-imolate until they're all totally discredited. The invocation of Art 50 is just going to keep slipping as they can't decide at all what they actually want. She's probably hoping the EU has another internal crisis and comes up with a plan for a more overt 2-tier membership structure (split along Euro/Non-Euro lines) then they can sell another referendum based on tier 2 and "what a mess it was last time" and they squeak home.

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by welshbairn

[D Angelo Barksdale]