vikingTON Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 20 hours ago, mizfit said: New approach to this being unveiled on Tuesday. All children given A’s and placements at St. Andrews University or Sturgeon must condemn imo. That's not far off the Record's ridiculous hot take that every student in the country should just get their prelim 'results' confirmed as their actual qualification because we all know how rigorous and not at all gamed, not one bit those sham in-house exams are. I want to see the SG demonstrating a set of serious cojones on this issue and stamping down on all the complaints about how unfair it is. Picking out a few schools that produced truly laughable grades and turning the focus on why teachers, senior management and the local authorities signed off on them would be a bold counter strategy. If Swinney and the government fold and put pressure on the SQA to hand out appeal grades like Skittles then the impact on the 19/20 cohort will end up worse over the long run and not better and the integrity of the exam system will also be damaged very badly indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I can’t see there being any complaints if the SNP implement either the Tory idea of exams in the autumn for those who didn’t get to sit them in May, or Labour’s approach of “just give everyone their predictions”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 And based solely in Scotland unlike the tories and labour who are ruled and dictated to from Westminster, forget their sham Scottish cuntservative and sham Scottish labour titles as they as they're fuckin told, by their lords and masters, what to do.Scottish (and Welsh) Labour were given a decent whack of autonomy from Westminster between 2016-19 which is why you saw them repeatedly throwing the toys out the pram when Corbyn and McDonnell gave their honest opinions on the validity of Scotland having another referendum. It’s also partially why Welsh Labour continue to be dreadful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 18 hours ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: That's good news. The SQA got given a hospital pass with the inflated marks but that doesn't mean what they did was right. You can make the system as a whole 'fair' in terms of the proportion of people getting certain marks but it doesn't mean much given life is not lived at the aggregate - the impact on individuals isn't acceptable. Ultimately I don't see how you can credibly attempt to half-arse an exam-based system without doing exams. So what are the options? Reverting to the initial teacher assessments wouldn't hold up, and they're already making appeals etc free. Maybe they will set some kind of emergency exam diet in the winter for affected students - logistically they could probably do it in a distanced way. If the decision was being made at this stage of the pandemic I don't think we'd have called them off. They were asked to come up with a statistically credible model for prediction of grades (with a bit of fudge) and they have done that. If you are doing that for 125k grades in total, you can come up with something with a model based on your inputs which could give you 80% accuracy in prediction and then have fucked over 25k of students results and maybe created contention in all the other borderline cases. Outliers and exceptional performers particularly hurt as they are hard to account for and will hurt the rest of the model. I think you're spot on re their being no decent option but I think that this really has to have been something led from parliament from afar, anything coherent you come up with is going to involve academic institutions and probably an exchange of money if processes are passed on elsewhere. If they weren't being invited into this sort of process by Scottish Gov, I'm not really sure what they were expected to do. In all honesty, I think the fairest system would have been to actually chuck a lot of this on universities and colleges. It would have been met with the same sort of agitation and fury but in terms of assessing applicants and allowing control factors for disadvantaged backgrounds etc, that's something where they at least do have some specialised experience with and could be forced to do. Indeed a lot of these things will happen anyway, just in a rushed fashion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Sturgeon & Co in full on 'do whatever it takes to retain power' mode, hardened Unionists want independence as much as this shower. Wish Salmond would get the JCB out and dish the dirt on this bunch of self-serving charlatans. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Sturgeon & Co in full on 'do whatever it takes to retain power' mode, hardened Unionists want independence as much as this shower. Wish Salmond would get the JCB out and dish the dirt on this bunch of self-serving charlatans. A political party that wants to retain power. Self-serving charlatans indeed. They should step aside and allow some other party that a very small minority voted for to take their place. I'm sure they won't serve themselves. On a serious note. Well done to Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney for holding their hands up and taking full responsibility for the systematic imperfections in the SQA's calculation models. Boris is already coming up to Scotland to hide in a fridge somewhere for a couple of weeks while it all kicks off down in England. If only we had such true leadership in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Good to see they’ve recognised there’s a problem. Now they need to sort it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I'm very glad that we have a leader who holds her hands up and apologises when mistakes are made. Compare and contrast that attitude to down south where anything goes, no apologies are made and history is rewritten. Fair play to the FM for this, I'm grateful we have her and thankful it's not Scottish labour or the conservatives in charge up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Impressive 180 from the bootlickers here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Does this mean that the SNP are going meddle with the internal workings of an independent public body 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Let the moaning little shits sit an exam in the Autumn and see their reaction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Does this mean that the SNP are going meddle with the internal workings of an independent public body If they don't meddle, the whingers will keep on demanding that they do. If they do meddle, the whingers will claim we're living under a totalitarian regime where everything is controlled by the wicked "snatzis". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: If they don't meddle, the whingers will keep on demanding that they do. If they do meddle, the whingers will claim we're living under a totalitarian regime where everything is controlled by the wicked "snatzis". I know it's difficult for you to understand this but there are a lot of people who just want young people to get be dealt with fairly regardless of what school they attend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: I know it's difficult for you to understand this but there are a lot of people who just want young people to get be dealt with fairly regardless of what school they attend. And they will be. Because unlike the UK Government, our Government is capable of holding their hands up and admitting when they don't get things right. Just wait until the results are released in England and Boris is nowhere to be seen, because he's hiding out up here somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 We'll see what happens but the late reversal strikes me as an attempt to placate the Greens/LDs to save Swinney's job. I have no doubt England will be a shitshow as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, BawWatchin said: On a serious note. Well done to Nicola Sturgeon and John Swinney for holding their hands up and taking full responsibility for the systematic imperfections in the SQA's calculation models. Just another F*** up in a long list of F*** up's. Wonder if Swinney will be clapping like his usual demented seal tomorrow. Every effort will be made to save his skin. Would the SNP fan boys like to say when they last had a decent minister. Look at Mackay, Swinney, Robinson, Freeman, Matheson, MacAskill as prime examples of incompetence in a party of apologists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Elric said: Just another F*** up in a long list of F*** up's. Wonder if Swinney will be clapping like his usual demented seal tomorrow. Every effort will be made to save his skin. Would the SNP fan boys like to say when they last had a decent minister. Look at Mackay, Swinney, Robinson, Freeman, Matheson, MacAskill as prime examples of incompetence in a party of apologists. Ah, well it's a good thing we live in a democracy where such atrocities can simply be voted out at election time. I'm sure the SNP will be shown the door this time m8.... sure of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Ah, well it's a good thing we live in a democracy where such atrocities can simply be voted out at election time. I'm sure the SNP will be shown the door this time m8.... sure of it. Didn't take long for the bait to be taken. Tell us exactly what the incompetents I mentioned have done for the good of the country? Will not be long before the rest of the gang drop in. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Elric said: Didn't take long for the bait to be taken. Indeed. 1 minute ago, Elric said: Tell us exactly what the incompetents I mentioned have done for the good of the country? Why don't you ask the country? It's the country that keeps returning them back to parliament in their droves. 2 minutes ago, Elric said: Will not be long before the rest of the gang drop in. Are you calling Scotland and it's democratic voters a gang bud? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 We'll see what happens but the late reversal strikes me as an attempt to placate the Greens/LDs to save Swinney's job. I have no doubt England will be a shitshow as well.And Wales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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