FairWeatherFan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, sdr71 said: No idea if this is a factor in anyone's decision-making, but next season's WoS structure is a known quantity - conferences - with known travel costs. Next season's EoS structure is clear as mud at this point - Premier/First/conferences? Premier/conferences? Tayside clubs or not? Regionalised conferences will give at least some West Lothian clubs five or six trips to the Borders, seeded conferences could mean Coupar Angus one week, Eyemouth the next. Things that are known about WoS Conferences: already sitting at 16-16-15 with a lack of floodlights, unknown start date for next season, only 3 promotion spots as the WoS Premier is at 20, and has interest from other applicants. Not entirely convinced they'll be rushing to accept a package deal from the WL that leads to 34 game league seasons plus cup games, with the West likely playing their WoS Cup next year adding to their cup commitments. I'd be thinking about a back up plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said: My contact is involved with Harthill. Travelling is the no.1 driving force for the WoS application and yeah a trip to South Ayrshire is they're prefered furthest trip compared to the Borders. All the clubs involved (5) are in constant contact with one another,as for Bathgate Thistle,they still have other issues to sort out. It was one of Kilwinning's representatives that spoke to HRJFC about a WoS application. Armadale to dalmellington is the same amount of time as going to tweedmouth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Armadale to dalmellington is the same amount of time as going to tweedmouth How do journeys to Montrose, Forfar, Arbroath, Brechin, etc compare with trips to a few Borders clubs? They didn't seem to be a big issue not so many seasons ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Armadale to dalmellington is the same amount of time as going to tweedmouth Totally agree Alan,as burnie said,darker forces at work in the background. Harthill may get in and they are a borderline club which works in there favour,the other 5 or so not so sure..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Dev said: How do journeys to Montrose, Forfar, Arbroath, Brechin, etc compare with trips to a few Borders clubs? They didn't seem to be a big issue not so many seasons ago. The likes of Harthill and Stoneyburn have never been out of the South division so won't have travelled that far north (except in the EOS Cup). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Dev said: How do journeys to Montrose, Forfar, Arbroath, Brechin, etc compare with trips to a few Borders clubs? They didn't seem to be a big issue not so many seasons ago. Armadale to brechin 1 hr 45 mins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Really wonder if you should be involved at this level if travelling to away grounds, playing the game and being back in your house inside an afternoon is considered too difficult. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Really wonder if you should be involved at this level if travelling to away grounds, playing the game and being back in your house inside an afternoon is considered too difficult. In Harthill's case they were in abeyance not that long ago for a couple of years. They seem to be aware that travelling to South Ayrshire is on the cards, but it would be less frequent as there's a greater number of clubs in the Greater Glasgow area compared to even the whole of Ayrshire. Whereas in the East it's potentially Perthshire to Borders and everything in between. If the West and South had merged with region wide leagues they might re-evaluate things, but under the current set of circumstances the West seems to be ahead on their checklist. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: In Harthill's case they were in abeyance not that long ago for a couple of years. They seem to be aware that travelling to South Ayrshire is on the cards, but it would be less frequent as there's a greater number of clubs in the Greater Glasgow area compared to even the whole of Ayrshire. Whereas in the East it's potentially Perthshire to Borders and everything in between. If the West and South had merged with region wide leagues they might re-evaluate things, but under the current set of circumstances the West seems to be ahead on their checklist. Yeah, that’s not a big area, let’s not start pretending it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Yeah, that’s not a big area, let’s not start pretending it is. 106 miles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: In Harthill's case they were in abeyance not that long ago for a couple of years. They seem to be aware that travelling to South Ayrshire is on the cards, but it would be less frequent as there's a greater number of clubs in the Greater Glasgow area compared to even the whole of Ayrshire. Whereas in the East it's potentially Perthshire to Borders and everything in between. If the West and South had merged with region wide leagues they might re-evaluate things, but under the current set of circumstances the West seems to be ahead on their checklist. Last year in the juniors the west was region wide even travel to yoker and vale of leven would be a lot more than playing teams in Edinburgh or even fife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Casey Jones said: 106 miles Aberdeen to Inverness. It's not far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Yeah, that’s not a big area, let’s not start pretending it is. I'm not saying its a big area, i'm saying it's a bigger area therefore bigger expense. If i'm running a club i'm looking at my expenses not a map. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Cyclizine said: Aberdeen to Inverness. It's not far. Just quoting the mileage from Perth to Berwick, nothing more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Last year in the juniors the west was region wide even travel to yoker and vale of leven would be a lot more than playing teams in Edinburgh or even fife More than the travel angle I suspect Harthill in particular probably want to avoid being stuck in a lower tier filled mainly with traditional EoS clubs like Eyemouth and Hawick in the years ahead something Camelon don't need to worry about too much. If being stuck in a lower tier with the likes of Glasgow Perthshire and Newmains United is more to their taste instead because it's easier to get supporters from what is mainly a Lanarkshire town interested in lower tier WoS games then good luck to them, if they get accepted OK. Are you hearing anything about Syngenta's future plans? Knocked back once already by the EoS and would probably be pushing flexibility on local authority boundaries well beyond breaking point to try for WoS entry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 51 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: I'm not saying its a big area, i'm saying it's a bigger area therefore bigger expense. If i'm running a club i'm looking at my expenses not a map. Not significantly, and if that extra travel is significant going amateur and keeping you max journeys to an hour might be the way to go. I get harthill aren’t exactly the biggest club, but then neither are hillfield swifts or tweedmouth or lochore... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Not significantly, and if that extra travel is significant going amateur and keeping you max journeys to an hour might be the way to go. I get harthill aren’t exactly the biggest club, but then neither are hillfield swifts or tweedmouth or lochore... Or choose between two pyramid leagues. A bit like Luncarty, they're split by an invisible line that nobody would be able to spot except on a map. Or be like Montrose Roselea turning back on "tradition" by leaving the East Region to go North, even though Brechin Vics were further North than them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: More than the travel angle I suspect Harthill in particular probably want to avoid being stuck in a lower tier filled mainly with traditional EoS clubs like Eyemouth and Hawick in the years ahead something Camelon don't need to worry about too much. If being stuck in a lower tier with the likes of Glasgow Perthshire and Newmains United is more to their taste instead because it's easier to get supporters from what is mainly a Lanarkshire town interested in lower tier WoS games then good luck to them, if they get accepted OK. Are you hearing anything about Syngenta's future plans? Knocked back once already by the EoS and would probably be pushing flexibility on local authority boundaries well beyond breaking point to try for WoS entry. Havent heard anything on syngenta. Ok might not want to be in with hawick tweedmouth but is craigmark, kello or ardrossan any better. Maybe harthill but u could still have a league with bathgate armadale or whitburn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Or choose between two pyramid leagues. A bit like Luncarty, they're split by an invisible line that nobody would be able to spot except on a map. Or be like Montrose Roselea turning back on "tradition" by leaving the East Region to go North, even though Brechin Vics were further North than them. See I don’t have a problem with them arguing they are more suited to being a west club than an east. That’s a fair argument to be had between the club and the two leagues. You can add duniplace who felt EoS was a chance to play in what they felt was more their natural region. There is legitimacy in arguing even tho your ground is in West Lothian you based around the town that’s in Lanarkshire and therefore are more suited to being a WoS club. What isn’t legitimate is saying 90 minute journeys are beyond you scope at semi-pro level(even if some clubs aren’t paying players, that’s the standard here) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, parsforlife said: See I don’t have a problem with them arguing they are more suited to being a west club than an east. That’s a fair argument to be had between the club and the two leagues. You can add duniplace who felt EoS was a chance to play in what they felt was more their natural region. There is legitimacy in arguing even tho your ground is in West Lothian you based around the town that’s in Lanarkshire and therefore are more suited to being a WoS club. What isn’t legitimate is saying 90 minute journeys are beyond you scope at semi-pro level(even if some clubs aren’t paying players, that’s the standard here) If they're expecting the possibility of trips to South Ayrshire, they're accepting 90 odd minute journeys. No one knows how the WoSFL and EoSFL will shake out format wise, or where Harthill Royal would fall in that landscape. They're just making the bet that the WoSFL will be better for them apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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