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23 hours ago, Ginaro said:

Not sure where you get that number from, as Scottish Cup prize money begins at £3k, and the annual SFA money has been up to £10k in recent seasons.

Has been is the operative word. It's now down to 2.5k I believe.

 

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1 hour ago, junglehenry said:

Has been is the operative word. It's now down to 2.5k I believe.

The SFA annual payment last year was £12k at EoS level, or £8k for members that were admitted at AGM.

£4k was paid out in April in advance for this years payment, whether there will be further payments in December when it's normally paid who knows, I'd say unlikely in this environment.

£3k minimum payment last season for 1st Prelim round exit. If you won 1st and 2nd Prelim rounds, and lost in 1st round proper, you made £10k.

 

 

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5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Maybe Pumpherston will be the next to go in West Lothian now that their two nearest neighbours are going to be in the EoS? After that...

By the sounds of it Whitburn will be applying for the  North Juniors before they accept any potential move to the EoS

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3 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

By the sounds of it Whitburn will be applying for the  North Juniors before they accept any potential move to the EoS

I sincerely hope not. Those running the club need to realise the juniors is finished and future is in the pyramid 

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I sincerely hope not. Those running the club need to realise the juniors is finished and future is in the pyramid 
Whitburn one of football's great mysteries.

Back in the 80's and 90's they had great teams. A well run club with Jim Donald and Ian Sherlock. A right top junior club.

It was a place you hated to go as a victory at Central Park was as rare as hens teeth.

A great support home and away - all the ingredients required for a successful club.

Then the fateful decision to not join the super league along with their other main rivals.

Unfortunately the decline since has shown the folly of their decision.

Linlithgow nearly made the same mistake by resisting a move to the EoS, fortunately common sense prevailed.

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29 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Whitburn one of football's great mysteries.

Back in the 80's and 90's they had great teams. A well run club with Jim Donald and Ian Sherlock. A right top junior club.

It was a place you hated to go as a victory at Central Park was as rare as hens teeth.

A great support home and away - all the ingredients required for a successful club.

Then the fateful decision to not join the super league along with their other main rivals.

Unfortunately the decline since has shown the folly of their decision.

Linlithgow nearly made the same mistake by resisting a move to the EoS, fortunately common sense prevailed.
 

Spot on.

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2 hours ago, whitburn exile said:

I sincerely hope not. Those running the club need to realise the juniors is finished and future is in the pyramid 

Enjoy Deveronside!

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7 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Enjoy Deveronside!

Don't think he's the same poster as WhitburnVale (?) who still lives and works in the Whitburn area but seems to also have some link to Banff. Somebody will wind up being the Felix McKenna of the East threatening to lead the movement back to the SJFA over some relatively trivial issue (cue red dot from the Pharoah) after lack of numbers finally forces the last few bitter enders to defect to tier 8 of the EoS. Probably the Armadale twitter guy rather than anybody at Whitburn.

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I can confirm whitburnexile is a different guy.

Asim was referring to the fact that Whitburn may end up applying to the north juniors just so they can remain "junior",that's why he made the reference to Deveronside JFC.

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Assuming Burnie will know as I don't.
If you get a license does it have an actual validity period ? Is it rubber stamped every year ?
If a club groundsharing got its license but then lost its ground share and went and attempted to play in the local park etc.
How long would their license stand for ?

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I can confirm whitburnexile is a different guy.
Asim was referring to the fact that Whitburn may end up applying to the north juniors just so they can remain "junior",that's why he made the reference to Deveronside JFC.
Do you know Stewart McPherson Whitburn Vale?
Was relatively young secretary when I played up at Vale.

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Everything has all quiet from Livingston side of things since their Statement, I think they are waiting to see what happens at the EoS agm with Boness  etc.

I think Whitburn will move eventually, from what i hear the committee were split on moving.

Armadale Twitter guy is their secretary, and he say's its only his own views and not the clubs, so who knows what they plan to do.

Bathgate Secretary has stepped down, and they seem to be signing anything that moves.

Fauldhouse no news since the new manager has came in other than players leaving latest i hear captain Sammy Watson has went to Armadale

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23 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Assuming Burnie will know as I don't.
If you get a license does it have an actual validity period ? Is it rubber stamped every year ?
If a club groundsharing got its license but then lost its ground share and went and attempted to play in the local park etc.
How long would their license stand for ?

Licence compliance gets reviewed every couple of years (?) and licensing is tied into the use of a specific home ground, so a club that lost its groundshare and wanted to play instead in the local park would have a major problem on its hands.

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38 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Assuming Burnie will know as I don't.
If you get a license does it have an actual validity period ? Is it rubber stamped every year ?
If a club groundsharing got its license but then lost its ground share and went and attempted to play in the local park etc.
How long would their license stand for ?

It basically gets reviewed annually at some point where you get audited again, but its technically on a continous basis.

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As for losing a ground. I don't think a local park would pass league standards, that's before you have to worry about the SFA. Now that Glasgow University are in the WoSFL, there are no longer any licensed clubs playing at amateur level where that might occur. The SPFL, HL, LL, EoSFL, WoSFL, SoSFL, NCL and North Region probably wouldn't allow a competitive fixture be played on a local park.

Overall though a loss of a ground would probably see the Licencing Committee do a review due to exceptional circumstances.

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1 hour ago, Blue said:

Everything has all quiet from Livingston side of things since their Statement, I think they are waiting to see what happens at the EoS agm with Boness  etc.

I think Whitburn will move eventually, from what i hear the committee were split on moving.

Armadale Twitter guy is their secretary, and he say's its only his own views and not the clubs, so who knows what they plan to do.

Bathgate Secretary has stepped down, and they seem to be signing anything that moves.

Fauldhouse no news since the new manager has came in other than players leaving latest i hear captain Sammy Watson has went to Armadale

I think all the West Lothian clubs will move eventually.  With Fife, it took four seasons for all clubs to move (Kelty in 2017, a few in 2018, Glenrothes in 2019 and the final group of clubs in 2020).  Livingston United applying signals the start of the West Lothian movement to EoS.  It all has a domino effect.  Once one or two clubs leave, others will start to consider and will gradually move and finally you'll have the teams most against moving accepting that they have to move to play against their local rivals.  

The East juniors have lost so many clubs and the junior cup has lost so many clubs (even some of the WoS clubs won't play in the next Junior Cup) and the position of remaining in the East juniors will continue to get harder to maintain each season.

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1 hour ago, superbigal said:

Do you know Stewart McPherson Whitburn Vale?
Was relatively young secretary when I played up at Vale.

Dont know him SB.

I know auld Dougie and his pal Reggie who was doing the PA at PRP.

Also know shirley who used to run the club shop.

Outside of the club I'm friendly with a few of the Valley lads.

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Assuming Burnie will know as I don't.
If you get a license does it have an actual validity period ? Is it rubber stamped every year ?
If a club groundsharing got its license but then lost its ground share and went and attempted to play in the local park etc.
How long would their license stand for ?
Your licence is audited every year before renewal. So in that situation, you'd lose your licence.

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When did Bathgate secretary step down? From what I gather, he done nearly everything there.
Was he not also the east Region secretary or president?

Everything has all quiet from Livingston side of things since their Statement, I think they are waiting to see what happens at the EoS agm with Boness  etc.
I think Whitburn will move eventually, from what i hear the committee were split on moving.
Armadale Twitter guy is their secretary, and he say's its only his own views and not the clubs, so who knows what they plan to do.
Bathgate Secretary has stepped down, and they seem to be signing anything that moves.
Fauldhouse no news since the new manager has came in other than players leaving latest i hear captain Sammy Watson has went to Armadale

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13 minutes ago, TheLad said:

When did Bathgate secretary step down? From what I gather, he done nearly everything there.
Was he not also the east Region secretary or president?

According to the 2019-20 handbook Robert Napier (Bathgate Thistle) was President of the Region.

EDIT: And as of basically a week ago he was still the person to contact. Although there are looking for new members to the committee.

 

Edited by FairWeatherFan

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