New clubs in the East of Scotland

[Robert James]

2 hours ago, Hertz1874 said:

What a big palava.

For clubs in the EoSL, (+  Glenrothes) it isn't complicated

Season 2018/19

existing structure : there  has been three  equal status "conferences", with 13 clubs in each = 39 clubs, all at Tier 6

Season 2019/20

probably 2 EoSL clubs promoted to the Lowland League,  39 -2 = 37 clubs

1 club (Whitehill) relegated from the Lowland to the EoSL, 37 + 1 club = 38 clubs

1 new club (Glenrothes) elected into EoSL from the Juniors, 38 + 1 = 39 clubs

new structure : Premier Division of 16 clubs at Tier 6, plus two "conferences" of 12 & 11 clubs  respectively, both at Tier 7.  A total of 16 + 12 + 11 clubs  = 39 clubs overall

Vacancies for 2019/20 ?

ideally the EoSL would like to have two "conferences" each comprised of between 14 & 16 clubs, at tier 7. This means that there would be between 5 & 9 vacancies for 2019/20, assuming  the EoSL agrees to accept late applications, which would have to be received before its AGM in June. All such applicants, if elected, would be at Tier 7 for 2019/20.  

NB : clubs don't need a Licence, nor floodlights, to join the EoSL.

 

 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Hertz1874 said:

What a big palava.

That big a palava that every club in the eos knew what they were aiming for and pretty much what the set up for next year would be a considerable time ago..... Palava indeed. In fact that big a palava that everyone knows what they are aiming for out of the conferences next season.....for example, 3 tiered leagues for 2020/21. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Guest

[stanley]

1 hour ago, G4Mac said:

That big a palava that every club in the eos knew what they were aiming for and pretty much what the set up for next year would be a considerable time ago..... Palava indeed. In fact that big a palava that everyone knows what they are aiming for out of the conferences next season.....for example, 3 tiered leagues for 2020/21. 

He's just trolling.  The new tactic, given the lack of clarity over structure in the juniors currently, is to deflect by claiming there is confusion over the EoS structure.  The reality is it has been clear from the start.  16 team EoS Premier formed based on league positions with first division formed by rest of the clubs.

[Dev]

7 minutes ago, stanley said:

He's just trolling.  The new tactic, given the lack of clarity over structure in the juniors currently, is to deflect by claiming there is confusion over the EoS structure.  The reality is it has been clear from the start.  16 team EoS Premier formed based on league positions with first division formed by rest of the clubs.

The apparent stalling tactics of the SJFA/TJ (?) have been exposed for what they are so this makes it tougher for mud-slinging to continue to have any effect whatsoever. Oh Dear!

[mcruic]

10 hours ago, Robert James said:

Season 2019/20

probably 2 EoSL clubs promoted to the Lowland League,  39 -2 = 37 clubs

1 club (Whitehill) relegated from the Lowland to the EoSL, 37 + 1 club = 38 clubs

1 new club (Glenrothes) elected into EoSL from the Juniors, 38 + 1 = 39 clubs

new structure : Premier Division of 16 clubs at Tier 6, plus two "conferences" of 12 & 11 clubs  respectively, both at Tier 7.  A total of 16 + 12 + 11 clubs  = 39 clubs overall

Just a slight modification of this, as it doesn't look like East Kilbride will get out of the LL this year after their defeat at home to Cove Rangers in the Play-off 1st Leg.

Season 2019/20
probably 1 EoSL club promoted to the Lowland League, 39-1 = 38 clubs
1 club (Whitehill) relegated from the LL to the EoSL, 38+1 = 39 clubs
1 new club (Glenrothes) elected into EoSL from Juniors, 39+1 = 40 clubs
new structure: Premier Division of 16 clubs at Tier 6, plus 2 conferences of 12 clubs each at Tier 7. Total of 16+12+12 clubs = 40 clubs overall.

This would mean one of the 6th placed teams in this years's conferences would get into the EoSL Premier for next season - will it just be the team with the most points (Sauchie) or will there be some kind of play-off with the other teams (Leith, Preston)?

 

[Marten]

13 minutes ago, mcruic said:

Just a slight modification of this, as it doesn't look like East Kilbride will get out of the LL this year after their defeat at home to Cove Rangers in the Play-off 1st Leg.

Season 2019/20
probably 1 EoSL club promoted to the Lowland League, 39-1 = 38 clubs
1 club (Whitehill) relegated from the LL to the EoSL, 38+1 = 39 clubs
1 new club (Glenrothes) elected into EoSL from Juniors, 39+1 = 40 clubs
new structure: Premier Division of 16 clubs at Tier 6, plus 2 conferences of 12 clubs each at Tier 7. Total of 16+12+12 clubs = 40 clubs overall.

This would mean one of the 6th placed teams in this years's conferences would get into the EoSL Premier for next season - will it just be the team with the most points (Sauchie) or will there be some kind of play-off with the other teams (Leith, Preston)?

 

It will just be the best 6th placed team, Sauchie.

[mcruic]

The way I see it, there are 3 options for a structure with a 16-team Top Division and 40 teams in total.  The last option, in my opinion, is the least likely.  I'd also like to see another team come in instead of Stirling University Reserves - I don't like seeing reserve teams in senior divisions.  Or possibly Stirling University could just create a 2nd independent club and rename it.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by mcruic
Corrected duplicate mention of Camelon

[stanley]

Third option won't be available until 2020-21.  I can't see them changing the plans at this stage.  Wouldn't be fair on the clubs.

Edited April 29, 2019 by stanley

[LongTimeLurker]

Think they should keep the tier 7 conferences going until the status of the ERSJFA gets sorted out once and for all.

[ian44wood]

Is that fair on teams that moved last season. How many seasons do you have to wait on the remaining east juniors.  They should move this coming season or end up in tier 8/9. 

Or stay junior 

Edited April 29, 2019 by ian44wood

[FairWeatherFan]

22 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Think they should keep the tier 7 conferences going until the status of the ERSJFA gets sorted out once and for all.

Of the selection of South of Tay Bridge clubs there's only a handful with regular standing at old East Super or Premier level. The majority were used to essentially district leagues and even opted for that format in the juniors.

They might be more likely to join next year at a regional tier 8 level under an EoS First Division rather than go through conferences this year.

[Burnie_man]

6 minutes ago, ian44wood said:

Is that fair on teams that moved last season. How many seasons do you have to wait on the remaining east juniors.  They should move this coming season or end up in tier 8/9. 

Or stay junior 

Correct, clubs have had last year and this year to decide if they want to become EoS members. from next year I think member clubs will want any new applicants to start in the bottom level which will probably be tier 8.

Is there still time to get on board this year and join at tier 7? it seems like it.

The only exception to this should be if talks continue with a view to a possible merger, in which case various scenarios could be suggested.

[Marten]

45 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Of the selection of South of Tay Bridge clubs there's only a handful with regular standing at old East Super or Premier level. The majority were used to essentially district leagues and even opted for that format in the juniors.

They might be more likely to join next year at a regional tier 8 level under an EoS First Division rather than go through conferences this year.

Agreed, the remaining south of Tay Bridge ERJFA clubs are already pushing for regionalisation. They probably won't care that much whether they'd end up at tier 7 or 8. If they'd move en masse in 2020 so tier 8 can be EOS Division 2 North/South they'd probably be quite happy with the regionalised divisions.

[FairWeatherFan]

13 minutes ago, Marten said:

Agreed, the remaining south of Tay Bridge ERJFA clubs are already pushing for regionalisation. They probably won't care that much whether they'd end up at tier 7 or 8. If they'd move en masse in 2020 so tier 8 can be EOS Division 2 North/South they'd probably be quite happy with the regionalised divisions.

Pretty much. At the minute they know they have each other whenever they go.

 

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, ian44wood said:

Is that fair on teams that moved last season. How many seasons do you have to wait on the remaining east juniors.  They should move this coming season or end up in tier 8/9. 

Or stay junior 

It wouldn't be fair on clubs to say "bad luck, you finished tenth in your conference so you're in Tier 8 now" after the season has already finished. Three tiers can't be an option for next 2019-20, it has to be conferences.

[ian44wood]

7 minutes ago, GordonS said:

It wouldn't be fair on clubs to say "bad luck, you finished tenth in your conference so you're in Tier 8 now" after the season has already finished. Three tiers can't be an option for next 2019-20, it has to be conferences.

I'm happy with conferences next season gordon . 

[GordonS]

1 minute ago, ian44wood said:

I'm happy with conferences next season gordon . 

Ah ok.

I'd do a 'thumbs up' emoji, if I knew how...

[Robert James]

3 hours ago, mcruic said:

Just a slight modification of this, as it doesn't look like East Kilbride will get out of the LL this year after their defeat at home to Cove Rangers in the Play-off 1st Leg.

Season 2019/20
probably 1 EoSL club promoted to the Lowland League, 39-1 = 38 clubs
1 club (Whitehill) relegated from the LL to the EoSL, 38+1 = 39 clubs
1 new club (Glenrothes) elected into EoSL from Juniors, 39+1 = 40 clubs
new structure: Premier Division of 16 clubs at Tier 6, plus 2 conferences of 12 clubs each at Tier 7. Total of 16+12+12 clubs = 40 clubs overall.

This would mean one of the 6th placed teams in this years's conferences would get into the EoSL Premier for next season - will it just be the team with the most points (Sauchie) or will there be some kind of play-off with the other teams (Leith, Preston)?
 

Are you sure ?

Assuming  Whitehill are relegated from the Lowland, there are two promotion places, not one, as Selkirk also have to be replaced.  If the licensing is sorted out, either Bonnyrigg or Penicuik will be promoted as EoSL Champions (I've discounted Broxburn after their loss to Penicuik in the first "round robin").

I consider it unlikely that the EoSL champion club will be denied promotion (owing to licensing delays by the SFA), therefore Bonnyrigg or Penicuik will fill one of the two Lowland vacancies. The Lowland League has already invited clubs  to apply for the 2nd vacancy.  This  2nd vacancy will be filled by either Whitehill, if they are successful in applying for "re-election", or by another licensed club. Linlithgow Rose are already licensed, and are eligible to be elected to fill the 16th vacancy, and if successful, would mean that the EoSL has promoted two clubs to the LL, not one. Hence :

EoSL 2019/20 :

current 39 clubs //   - 2 promoted (eg BRA or PA, plus say LR) = 37  //   + 1 relegated from LL  (Whitehill) = 38  //   + 1 new club (Glenrothes) = 39 clubs

If however, Cove Rangers  win the SPFL Club 42 Play-off,  Berwick Rangers will be relegated, thereby filling the 16th place in the Lowland League, meaning that a 2nd  club from the EoSL will NOT be required.. This with a knock on effect of  having 1 extra club in the EoSL = 40 clubs. 

HFL 2019/20 :

Cove's promotion  to the SPFL would  mean that the Highland League will lose one club (18 - 1 = 17 clubs).  Perhaps this would open the door for Banks O'Dee to replace Cove Rangers  in the HFL?

Interesting !

 

  

[Robert James]

4 hours ago, mcruic said:

The way I see it, there are 3 options for a structure with a 16-team Top Division and 40 teams in total.  The last option, in my opinion, is the least likely.  I'd also like to see another team come in instead of Stirling University Reserves - I don't like seeing reserve teams in senior divisions.  Or possibly Stirling University could just create a 2nd independent club and rename it.

Sorry to point this out, but you have  referred to Camelon twice on all 3 of your Tier 6 examples. 

Also, it is probable that two (not one) EoSL clubs will be promoted to the Lowland League for 2019/20, as there will be TWO vacancies, to be filled, to replace Whitehill Welfare (if relegated as you state above), and Selkirk (who folded).

Unless of course, Cove Rangers defeat Berwick Rangers in the Club 42 play-off, as the latter would fill the  2nd LL vacancy

Edited April 29, 2019 by Robert James
additional question added

[FuzzyBear]

One thing I would say about Syngenta is there won't be many clubs with the amount of kids they have. Must be about 200 in the different age groups at LK tonight.