New clubs in the East of Scotland

[Andy groundhopper]

Can only imagine that the B teams could be interested,if only to bring the bottom division up to 16 eventually - that would give clubs below a chance to progress, only if their grounds meet the criteria, meaning less ground shares hopefully. Think unless the spfl clubs can finally sort this reserve problem, then they'll probably get into both the EOS and Lowland.

[Robert James]

On 23/03/2022 at 10:50, Dev said:

The deadline for applications is the end of this month so it won't be long now before there are some clues as to whether or not there are any potential new clubs.

It would be entirely understandable if the decision to keep the last in-take of clubs (i.e. ex Juniors plus Edinburgh College) tailed off in a bottom division with only one guaranteed promotion spot puts off clubs from outside West Lothian from applying to join a West Lothian division dominated this time around. 

If Cup results are any guide it has also meant that some stronger West Lothian have been held back and the lower divisions of the league will remain, unnecessarily, out of balance as it will take time for clubs to find their appropriate position in the league.

We already know about one new club in the EoSL next season - Vale of Leithen relegated from the Lowland League.

Regarding the HFL/LFL champions play-off, Fraserburgh, Buckie & Brechin is "too close to call", whilst Bonnyrigg can watch with interest to see which club they will face. .Interesting.

 

[FairWeatherFan]

Changed days. Take it there might be some basic news at the games this weekend? No applications or a number. 

[Pyramidic]

For the last few seasons it was always a period of anticipation discussing the merits of the prospective new applicants to the EOSFL. I suppose the question this time around should be whether indeed there will be any applicants? Does anyone know when the EOSFL management will be considering applications (if there are any)?

[parsforlife]

1 hour ago, Pyramidic said:

For the last few seasons it was always a period of anticipation discussing the merits of the prospective new applicants to the EOSFL. I suppose the question this time around should be whether indeed there will be any applicants? Does anyone know when the EOSFL management will be considering applications (if there are any)?

I believe all leagues now collectively have agreed that any applications need to be in by 31st march. You would imagine committees will be doing their diligence over the next few weeks before the applications would formally be put to members at the AGM

[Dev]

Is there any likelihood that there will be an official statement about applications to join the league (if there are any or not) prior to the distribution of the agenda for the AGM?

Does anybody here know the answer? Burnieman, HibeeJibee?

Edited April 4, 2022 by Dev
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[Pyramidic]

The case can be made that if there are “B” team applicants from SPFL clubs affiliated to the East of Scotland FA, it would be much better to avoid unnecessary speculation and debate on the P&B Forum at this stage. In such circumstances many would accept that it would be a sensible decision to avoid advanced publicity before the applications have been considered by EOSFL management and subsequently member clubs.

[stulch]

Based on previous years the EoS won't make any applications public its up to any clubs if they want to announce or not.

[Robert James]

On 21/04/2017 at 16:24, Moses McNeil said:

Heard from a 100% reliable source that Kelty Hearts have decided to join the pyramid and see how far they can go. Obviously they will be starting at the bottom and are expected to be playing in the East of Scotland League from next season while they go through the licencing process.

 

 

And look where Kelty are now in 2022 !!  They were the first trail-blazing Junior club, which started the 'rush' to join the pyramid. 

Bonnyrigg soon followed suit. Congratulations to both clubs for leading the charge.. 

[Pyramidic]

22 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

And look where Kelty are now in 2022 !!  They were the first trail-blazing Junior club, which started the 'rush' to join the pyramid. 

Bonnyrigg soon followed suit. Congratulations to both clubs for leading the charge.. 

Of course there would be no reason now why Kelty Hearts could not apply to enter  a “B” team in the EOSFL Third Division for the 2022/23 season.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Pyramidic

[Burnieman]

No new applicants for next season.

[Ginaro]

Bit of a bummer for the 9 Third Division clubs next season, presumably playing each other four times.

[Burnieman]

9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Bit of a bummer for the 9 Third Division clubs next season, presumably playing each other four times.

It is.

I would hope that next season, the new Second Division has 4 relegation spots to bring it into line with 16 clubs for season 2023-24, that would boost the Third back upto at least 11, plus any new entrants.

[Guest chavez]

42 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

It is.

I would hope that next season, the new Second Division has 4 relegation spots to bring it into line with 16 clubs for season 2023-24, that would boost the Third back upto at least 11, plus any new entrants.

It is a farce.

Where are all the new teams that were being enticed in? - not one single applicant.

You and plenty others had a go at the mainly West Lothian teams that were last to come over and disparaging them and the league they would have been left in. Can you explain how the league next year is going to be less of a laughing stock - maybe it'll be Conference Z by then.

Divisions above with 18 teams and as usual nothing more than self interest rather than genuine attempts for fairness and inclusivity.

[Burnieman]

30 minutes ago, chavez said:

It is a farce.

Where are all the new teams that were being enticed in? - not one single applicant.

You and plenty others had a go at the mainly West Lothian teams that were last to come over and disparaging them and the league they would have been left in. Can you explain how the league next year is going to be less of a laughing stock - maybe it'll be Conference Z by then.

Divisions above with 18 teams and as usual nothing more than self interest rather than genuine attempts for fairness and inclusivity.

Who would the EoS "entice" into the league? either clubs apply or they don't, who should they have enticed, which clubs are the league missing? A bit of a bizarre thing to say.

A Second Division of 18 clubs next season was to prevent a club dropping two tiers from this season into next season (tier 7 to tier 9). It's called being fair to existing members after two abandoned seasons.

As for self-interest, perhaps if the remaining West Lothian Juniors had applied earlier when the writing was clearly on the wall instead of circling the wagons, bad mouthing the EoS and the clubs who made the move, then maybe you would have been in a better place. Look in the mirror to see self-interest.

Even with that, the top 2 (and maybe 3) will be promoted to the Second Division out of an 11 team league, next season it will be 2 (or 3) from a 9 team league, that seems to be fair and inclusive to me.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Burnieman

[Guest chavez]

2 hours ago, Burnieman said:

Who would the EoS "entice" into the league? either clubs apply or they don't, who should they have enticed, which clubs are the league missing? A bit of a bizarre thing to say.

A Second Division of 18 clubs next season was to prevent a club dropping two tiers from this season into next season (tier 7 to tier 9). It's called being fair to existing members after two abandoned seasons.

As for self-interest, perhaps if the remaining West Lothian Juniors had applied earlier when the writing was clearly on the wall instead of circling the wagons, bad mouthing the EoS and the clubs who made the move, then maybe you would have been in a better place. Look in the mirror to see self-interest.

Even with that, the top 2 (and maybe 3) will be promoted to the Second Division out of an 11 team league, next season it will be 2 (or 3) from a 9 team league, that seems to be fair and inclusive to me.

Who exactly bad mouthed the EOS? As I recall there was one Club in this area who were expressing their opinion - who else?

There has been plenty self interest from almost all clubs over the last few years. Nothing wrong with that in principal as each club looks after itself first and foremost but it does not add up to a fair and equitable system at this point. Just because the timetable for some didn't quite match your agenda doesn't make the look of the leagues next year, and for a few years after it probably, totally wrong.

A 9 team league is embarrassing no matter how you want to dress it up.

[drs]

Only embarrassing thing is the fools on the committees of clubs that worshiped a dying "grade" and who believed the shite being pushed by the SJFA. Forward thinking clubs decided to advance their clubs, others didn't

These backwards thinking clubs in West Lothian now find themselves at the bottom of the pyramid through no ones fault but their own.

[Burnieman]

6 hours ago, chavez said:

Who exactly bad mouthed the EOS? As I recall there was one Club in this area who were expressing their opinion - who else?

There has been plenty self interest from almost all clubs over the last few years. Nothing wrong with that in principal as each club looks after itself first and foremost but it does not add up to a fair and equitable system at this point. Just because the timetable for some didn't quite match your agenda doesn't make the look of the leagues next year, and for a few years after it probably, totally wrong.

A 9 team league is embarrassing no matter how you want to dress it up.

Who exactly? I'm sure you're well aware given you presided over them.

As for your moans about the league set-up, well you only have yourselves to blame for that.  What's embarrassing is you coming on here and shouting "fair and equitable" after spending a couple of years sticking your fingers up at the EoS when you had every opportunity to join.

[FairWeatherFan]

6 hours ago, chavez said:

A 9 team league is embarrassing no matter how you want to dress it up.

There will be plenty of complaints next season from the Second Division clubs when there's 5 or so relegations to get them down to 16. As well as from the Premier on on down if the champion doesn't get promoted due to the possible ripple effect of +1 relegations.

[Dev]

11 hours ago, Burnieman said:

Who would the EoS "entice" into the league? either clubs apply or they don't, who should they have enticed, which clubs are the league missing? A bit of a bizarre thing to say.

A Second Division of 18 clubs next season was to prevent a club dropping two tiers from this season into next season (tier 7 to tier 9). It's called being fair to existing members after two abandoned seasons.

As for self-interest, perhaps if the remaining West Lothian Juniors had applied earlier when the writing was clearly on the wall instead of circling the wagons, bad mouthing the EoS and the clubs who made the move, then maybe you would have been in a better place. Look in the mirror to see self-interest.

Even with that, the top 2 (and maybe 3) will be promoted to the Second Division out of an 11 team league, next season it will be 2 (or 3) from a 9 team league, that seems to be fair and inclusive to me.

Not Punishment? Eh?

The league made its decisions as it was entitled to do - and it was the clubs that made the decision in the end. The league was just the vehicle for the decision.

There's a glaring mistake which needs to be put right. It's the only bad move that the clubs in the east have made. I am sure that they now understand that it needs to be put right and they are generous enough to do that.