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1 hour ago, traffordab said:

Spot on. 

Let's face it they are an abomination of a adult men's football club. 

A club born out of some money from Mr Moyes and the boys club structure who produce pitiful banners with phrases like 'history is overrated '.

A club who 'fans' and committee all supported other full time clubs who felt like something different and jumped on a bangwagon. 

A chairman who nobody really knows and his stooge media championship manager nerd who seem to be the spokesmen for this lowland league and this new shambolic west of scotland league , really is that what non league football in this country has come to! 

An utter farce where we should have historic clubs with experienced proper officials who know the non league scene and it's history we are stuck with the bsc crew who have railroaded themselves into a position where they can feel important and relevant when that's the last thing they are. 

 

Michael Douglas, Falling Down?

One to watch... 

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28 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

A conference format to accomodate as many clubs as applied could have made things interesting on that and led to a domino effect, but that would not have enhanced the SPFL entry prospects of Spartans and Cove Rangers.

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3 hours ago, traffordab said:

 

An utter farce where we should have historic clubs with experienced proper officials who know the non league scene and it's history we are stuck with the bsc crew who have railroaded themselves into a position where they can feel important and relevant when that's the last thing they are. 

 

Shackled to the past, and contemptuous of ambition or innovation. Why Scottish Junior football has all but died in one paragraph.

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12 hours ago, fowler23 said:

And what does all these teams joining the lowland league have to do with new teams in the eos???? 

Another thread taken over!!! 

All goes back to whether Edinburgh South should be allowed in while playing in Dalkeith. Things have moved on considerably since BSC were allowed in to the senior pyramid as a youth club with no ground of their own to provide some more west content to the LL (no point engaging with a few cranks who want to pretend they got tier 5 status on merit rather than expediency).

It's reasonable to question whether there should now be some rules put in place for clubs like Edinburgh South to ensure that they must have their own enclosed ground in their own community within a reasonable time frame in order to be able to retain their membership. Some, as Jambo'ness did, could even reasonably argue now that numbers have reached as high as 50 that having your own ground in your own community that already meets EoS standards should be a requirement for entry.

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14 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

All goes back to whether Edinburgh South should be allowed in while playing in Dalkeith. Things have moved on considerably since BSC were allowed in to the senior pyramid as a youth club with no ground of their own to provide some more west content to the LL (no point engaging with a few cranks who want to pretend they got tier 5 status on merit rather than expediency).

It's reasonable to question whether there should now be some rules put in place for clubs like Edinburgh South to ensure that they must have their own enclosed ground in their own community within a reasonable time frame in order to be able to retain their membership. Some, as Jambo'ness did, could even reasonably argue now that numbers have reached as high as 50 that having your own ground in your own community that already meets EoS standards should be a requirement for entry.

Just wondering if you even know where Dalkeith is? Hardly a large distance away from where EdinburghSouth club or players live! EoS gave the go ahead. Doubt Dalkeith were pressurised into having to share their ground so what is the issue with you?

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Just now, Casey Jones said:

Just wondering if you even know where Dalkeith is? Hardly a large distance away from where EdinburghSouth club or players live! EoS gave the go ahead. Doubt Dalkeith were pressurised into having to share their ground so what is the issue with you?

According to theaa.com Inch Park to King's Park = 5 miles / 16 minutes by car

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Just now, Casey Jones said:

Just wondering if you even know where Dalkeith is? Hardly a large distance away from where EdinburghSouth club or players live! EoS gave the go ahead. Doubt Dalkeith were pressurised into having to share their ground so what is the issue with you?

Don't have an issue on this (as should be abundantly clear from my post) as long as they do ultimately get their own ground in a reasonable timeframe. 

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15 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

According to theaa.com Inch Park to King's Park = 5 miles / 16 minutes by car

Or only 3.3 miles from their other pitch at fernieside

 

Fernieside park.  Pretty large and decent.  Really only needs a fence!

This should be their future.

If they can get the council and locals to allow it of course!

 

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1 minute ago, oldandround said:

Or only 3.3 miles from their other pitch at fernieside

 

Fernieside park.  Pretty large and decent.  Really only needs a fence!

This should be their future.

If they can get the council and locals to allow it of course!

 

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I could only remember Inch Park off the top of my head. Thanks!

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5 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:
30 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
According to theaa.com Inch Park to King's Park = 5 miles / 16 minutes by car

Not on a pre lockdown Monday to Friday. I've sat in that traffic for over an hour so many times. God I hated that commute. Absolutely soul sapping.

Aah! The joys of traffic in Edinburgh! Been there too!! Yet you can get into centre of Glasgow in same time! Just hope LTL doesn’t see this or he will be freaking out, in case Blackburn or Dunipace offer Edinburgh South, the following season! 

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3 minutes ago, Casey Jones said:

Aah! The joys of traffic in Edinburgh! Been there too!! Yet you can get into centre of Glasgow in same time! Just hope LTL doesn’t see this or he will be freaking out, in case Blackburn or Dunipace offer Edinburgh South, the following season! 

As stated previously I wouldn't be bothered by a temporary Blackburn or Dunipace groundshare as long as they do get their own ground in the part of Edinburgh where they are based in a reasonable timeframe (something like 3 to 5 seasons depending on how much needs to happen).

Fernieside as others have stated is the obvious solution and there isn't a vast amount to do to get that park to Hillfield Swifts, Peebles Rovers and Thornton Hibs levels of suitability. That wouldn't be an easy shortcut to entry level though unlike how being at Dalkeith might be.

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1 hour ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:
2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
According to theaa.com Inch Park to King's Park = 5 miles / 16 minutes by car

Not on a pre lockdown Monday to Friday. I've sat in that traffic for over an hour so many times. God I hated that commute. Absolutely soul sapping.

But they're not gonnae be playing Mon to Fri,maybes an odd midweek game but on a Saturday the 49 bus takes officially 20 mins from the centre of Dalkeith to Cameron Toll passing both Fernieside and the Inch on the way. 

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But they're not gonnae be playing Mon to Fri,maybes an odd midweek game but on a Saturday the 49 bus takes officially 20 mins from the centre of Dalkeith to Cameron Toll passing both Fernieside and the Inch on the way. 
I am well aware of this. I'm just scarred by that bloody commute. 16 minutes! I seldom got out of Dalkeith and over the Sherriffhall roundabout in 16 minutes. I couldn't help but comment on it. My point was fatuous, it had bugger all to do with Edinburgh South really, but we don't live in a linear world, and discussions can be permitted to go off on tangents.

On topic, it will be interesting to see what kind of crowd this new team manages to generate. Midlothian is obviously already deeply saturated with football teams, with the big two Edinburgh teams also close to hand, so not many locals will be picking up this new team regularly. Most people who live in the Inch and surrounds will consider Dalkeith to be on the other side of the moon, with absolutely no leisure appeal for them, so I don't imagine many people travelling out to the wilds of Dalkeith either.

I wonder if they may experiment with novel kick off times, such as a Friday night, in order to draw a few more neutrals along?

Presumably on occasion that date change will become necessary anyway, assuming Dalkeith get first call on their own pitch should a Saturday fixture clash arise due to cup draws etc.
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8 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:

On topic, it will be interesting to see what kind of crowd this new team manages to generate. Midlothian is obviously already deeply saturated with football teams, with the big two Edinburgh teams also close to hand, so not many locals will be picking up this new team regularly. Most people who live in the Inch and surrounds will consider Dalkeith to be on the other side of the moon, with absolutely no leisure appeal for them, so I don't imagine many people travelling out to the wilds of Dalkeith either.

Considering the sort of crowds that other Edinburgh based clubs in the EoSFL Conferences get, then 30-60 on average. Maybe break into three digits on occasion with the right opponent/game. Guessing it will largely be down to how successful they are.

For comparison the league average headcounts for the Edinburgh & Dalkeith First Division Conference teams in 2019-20.

80 Dalkeith Thistle
69 Tynecastle
56 Leith Athletic
52 Lothian Thistle HV
50 Edinburgh United
38 Craigroyston
36 Heriot-Watt University

 

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7 hours ago, traffordab said:

Spot on. 

Let's face it they are an abomination of a adult men's football club. 

A club born out of some money from Mr Moyes and the boys club structure who produce pitiful banners with phrases like 'history is overrated '.

A club who 'fans' and committee all supported other full time clubs who felt like something different and jumped on a bangwagon. 

A chairman who nobody really knows and his stooge media championship manager nerd who seem to be the spokesmen for this lowland league and this new shambolic west of scotland league , really is that what non league football in this country has come to! 

An utter farce where we should have historic clubs with experienced proper officials who know the non league scene and it's history we are stuck with the bsc crew who have railroaded themselves into a position where they can feel important and relevant when that's the last thing they are. 

 

Bollocks.

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55 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:

...On topic, it will be interesting to see what kind of crowd this new team manages to generate...

If it's all about having a pathway for their youth players and they have a viable funding model in place on that basis, they may not even care all that much about that. The goal could be to find a ground where they can get licensed as tenants, so they can do things like reach the last 16 of the Scottish Cup BSC style without ever having a ground of their own.

Given the ongoing proliferation of youth clubs into the senior pyramid, at some point there maybe needs to be some reflection as to what a senior club actually should be all about and whether having your own home ground and attracting a regular home support to it should be viewed as being an integral part of the equation. 

Given how saturated Edinburgh and Midlothian is with senior clubs now, why would Edinburgh South's pathway not simply be to feed into an existing club like Dalkeith Thistle? The obvious answer is that doing things like having your name on a Scottish Cup entrant that gets mentioned in televised coverage helps attract youth players into the pathway, so it maybe all feeds back into that again rather than being about attracting a regular fanbase.

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Given the ongoing proliferation of youth clubs into the senior pyramid, at some point there maybe needs to be some reflection as to what a senior club actually should be all about and whether having your own home ground and attracting a regular home support to it should be viewed as being an integral part of the equation. 

Seems that the SFA, SPFL, Lowland League, West/South/East of Scotland Leagues and a lot of people on this forum have already reflected on whether having your own home ground and attracting a regular home support should be part of the equation as to what being a senior club encompasses and decided it's not. 

It just seems to be a bug-bear of your own that you regularly bring up.

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

If it's all about having a pathway for their youth players and they have a viable funding model in place on that basis, they may not even care all that much about that. The goal could be to find a ground where they can get licensed as tenants, so they can do things like reach the last 16 of the Scottish Cup BSC style without ever having a ground of their own.

Given the ongoing proliferation of youth clubs into the senior pyramid, at some point there maybe needs to be some reflection as to what a senior club actually should be all about and whether having your own home ground and attracting a regular home support to it should be viewed as being an integral part of the equation. 

Given how saturated Edinburgh and Midlothian is with senior clubs now, why would Edinburgh South's pathway not simply be to feed into an existing club like Dalkeith Thistle? The obvious answer is that doing things like having your name on a Scottish Cup entrant that gets mentioned in televised coverage helps attract youth players into the pathway, so it maybe all feeds back into that again rather than being about attracting a regular fanbase.

Saythe same as said last time, it would appear that you have no idea where Dalkeith is and now, not got a clue about the club itself! Dalkeith already has its own football set up, with extensive membership of youngsters up to main Dalkeith Thistle team. So why would the ‘home’ club was an amalgamation with another club with big membership? 

Not acceptable of one club just wanting help another club out, in its infancy at this level of football? 

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