LongTimeLurker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Think there should be some distance limit from their home base. St Cadoc's at St Anthony's, Rossvale in Govan and Edinburgh South in Dalkeith is fair enough for a few seasons until an already identified home ground gets sorted out. Having BSC in Alloa with no plan seemingly in place to ever get back to their part of Glasgow is taking things too far and is not something that should be allowed again in future. Edited May 23, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think there should be some distance limit from their home base. St Cadoc's at St Anthony's, Rossvale in Govan and Edinburgh South in Dalkeith is fair enough for a few seasons until an already identified home ground gets sorted out. Having BSC in Alloa with no plan seemingly in place to ever get back to their part of Glasgow is taking things too far and is not something that should be allowed again in future. What harm are BSC actually doing to anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: What harm are BSC actually doing to anyone? Well for a start they are not spending money getting a stadium to the standard required to achieve a licence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think there should be some distance limit from their home base. St Cadoc's at St Anthony's, Rossvale in Govan and Edinburgh South in Dalkeith is fair enough for a few seasons until an already identified home ground gets sorted out. Having BSC in Alloa with no plan seemingly in place to ever get back to their part of Glasgow is taking things too far and is not something that should be allowed again in future. BSC Glasgow started in Glasgow, groundshare(s) fell through and Alloa ended up their best option. That's not something that can be predicted. At the top of the pyramid you've got the likes of Aberdeen moving from Pittodrie to Westhill which is about the same sort of distance if not more than some of St Cadocs, Rossvale, and Edinburgh South are having to deal with while setting up something more permanent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, cookieboy said: Well for a start they are not spending money getting a stadium to the standard required to achieve a licence I'm sure Alloa aren't letting them use Recreation Park out of the goodness of their heart 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 What about Sco... Glenhead Park??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think there should be some distance limit from their home base. St Cadoc's at St Anthony's, Rossvale in Govan and Edinburgh South in Dalkeith is fair enough for a few seasons until an already identified home ground gets sorted out. Having BSC in Alloa with no plan seemingly in place to ever get back to their part of Glasgow is taking things too far and is not something that should be allowed again in future. The first two you mention play at good grass pitches / artificial turf allowing groundsharing. BSC played at Maryhill which had pitch issues and according to posts elsewhere apparently would've been playing at Petershill had TJ not intervened. Not too many other places they could've gone that would be close to licensing criteria and cope with two teams. At least there's a direct train to Alloa! 29 minutes ago, cookieboy said: Well for a start they are not spending money getting a stadium to the standard required to achieve a licence Plenty of clubs receive money from councils to get things like floodlights or even play at grounds built by councils. Didn't Penicuik get their lights installed by the council? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: What harm are BSC actually doing to anyone? Football without fans is nothing at a semi-professional level. There needs to be some sort of link to an identifiable community that is expected to provide a regular support base. I suspect BSC and Edusport would have been viewed differently by the powers that be if the SFA hadn't been struggling for numbers where the LL was concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, cookieboy said: Well for a start they are not spending money getting a stadium to the standard required to achieve a licence And that harms whom? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Football without fans is nothing at a semi-professional level. There needs to be some sort of link to an identifiable community that is expected to provide a regular support base. I suspect BSC and Edusport would have been viewed differently by the powers that be if the SFA hadn't been struggling for numbers where the LL was concerned. Now he tells us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: And that harms whom? Probably long term themselves especially if money gets tight and the host club starts asking for more money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Football without fans is nothing at a semi-professional level. There needs to be some sort of link to an identifiable community that is expected to provide a regular support base. I suspect BSC and Edusport would have been viewed differently by the powers that be if the SFA hadn't been struggling for numbers where the LL was concerned. A football club's status is determined by results on the field, not by the size of the support or the facilities (provided minimum standards are met). BSC seem to be doing ok without fans. The fact that a "homeless boys' club" are third or fourth in the league may say more about semi-pro football in Scotland than it does about BSC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Stag Nation said: A football club's status is determined by results on the field, not by the size of the support or the facilities (provided minimum standards are met). BSC seem to be doing ok without fans. The fact that a "homeless boys' club" are third or fourth in the league may say more about semi-pro football in Scotland than it does about BSC. To a degree they are doing okay in set up that was artificial to begin with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: A football club's status is determined by results on the field, ... Not disputing that once a club is allowed in. What is being questioned here is who should be allowed into the semi-professional level in the first place. Many would argue that a club having its own properly enclosed ground in a community where it is very much part of the social fabric should be a prerequisite on that. BSC were part of the way there and didn't look too out of place when they were at Maryhill. Edusport was much more questionable. Edited May 23, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Not disputing that once a club is allowed in. What is being questioned here is who should be allowed into the semi-professional level in the first place. I have tried to answer that question by raising the profile of the need for a proper EOSFL Feeder League designed to propogate those clubs who desire to progess with better facilities and have ambitions to compete at a semi-professional level in the EOSFL: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Football without fans is nothing at a semi-professional level. There needs to be some sort of link to an identifiable community that is expected to provide a regular support base. I suspect BSC and Edusport would have been viewed differently by the powers that be if the SFA hadn't been struggling for numbers where the LL was concerned. Edu got rejected as a LL applicant. They joined at the lowest level, got licensed and worked their way up, they now have their own ground. What else do you want them to do? BSC joined with a Glasgow groundshare agreed, and whilst the Alloa move isn’t great they have proved themselves as a good asset to the LL. Their cup run this season is exactly what you would want to promote the league. theres a right arrogance over how long clubs have existed for and how many fans they have. Neither should be criteria for being part of a league. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: And that harms whom? Everyone that plays against them as they will be using money saved on players 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Edu got rejected as a LL applicant. They joined at the lowest level, got licensed and worked their way up, they now have their own ground. What else do you want them to do? BSC joined with a Glasgow groundshare agreed, and whilst the Alloa move isn’t great they have proved themselves as a good asset to the LL. Their cup run this season is exactly what you would want to promote the league. theres a right arrogance over how long clubs have existed for and how many fans they have. Neither should be criteria for being part of a league. Maybe BSC will find a permanent ground-share close to home sooner rather than later now that there are so many grounds available or which could be made available with local Senior (no longer Junior) clubs? Some sort of arrangement along the lines of Yoker/Clydebank may now be possible. Are there any West Seniors which are going for a licence in the next season or two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 George Fraser said clearly on the LL Catchup podcast that they are looking for a ground at / closer to home. He said that even though it's difficult currently they're working on it. It's unfair to say that BSC aren't looking to get back to Glagow. If there are talks going on behind the scenes they're unlikely to shout that out loud until something is set in stone... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, cookieboy said: Everyone that plays against them as they will be using money saved on players But as I've pointed out, BSC won't be getting it for free. They'll be paying rent to Alloa. I fail to see why clubs groundsharing is such a big deal, particularly in the era of artificial pitches. It makes complete sense for clubs to share facilities and hence costs. Gets more use out of the facilities too. Same as owning a ground, again so long as you have a secure tenancy, then what's the issue? Yes, it does wrankle a bit that BSC play so far outwith their patch, but there wasn't really any other option and I'm sure they're looking at other venues closer to home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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