xnxx Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Glenrothes strollers have the infrastructure in place just now to apply but whether they can bring players in is a different story I don't doubt that this might well stem from the trolling that's going back and forth in the LEAFA thread. At the same time there's been non-Juniors rumoured pretty much every year for the last few. Glenrothes Strollers, Syngenta, Musselburgh Windsor, St Bernard's and ultimately Inverkeithing being the only one to become a reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Glenrothes strollers have the infrastructure in place just now to apply but whether they can bring players in is a different storyHave they built a boundary fence which was the problem with their application last time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormi Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, manofthematch said: 7 hours ago, HendersonDelivers said: 4 amature teams from le&fa have applied. The amount of amateur clubs playing at this level and some of the amateur crowds they won't feel out of place. Must...not...bite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, manofthematch said: 7 hours ago, HendersonDelivers said: 4 amature teams from le&fa have applied. The amount of amateur clubs playing at this level and some of the amateur crowds they won't feel out of place. Give it up FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Tbh very few amateur sides have joined or even applied for EOSL in recent decades. Inverkeithing are a big youth set-up too. Duns alone really? Joined in 2011 but left in 2016. Gala Rovers were unsuccessful in 2005... since merged with Gala Fairydean... and over years been rumours surrounding likes of Chirnside, North Berwick, Tweedmouth Amateurs and West Barns Star. During the last third of a century interest in Edinburgh came from likes of Hutchison Vale, Leith Athletic and Christian Salvesen. Each intended using grounds like Campbell Park, Forester High or a now disappeared 3rd pitch at Marine Drive - only HV actually applied and ultimately the former pair merged with Lothian Thistle and Edinburgh Athletic respectively. Tynecastle also merged with Tollcross United. Links United were unsuccessful in 2008... before that you're back to Loanhead and Telman Star in early 1990s. St Bernard's were rumoured recently. Unsure how many of those clubs even still exist. Telman merged with Manor Thistle as Edinburgh Athletic - now Leith. Some club from Rosyth was rumoured a few years ago. Glenrothes Strollers were unsuccessful last season. Edited January 9, 2020 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Whilst it does seem unlikely that 4 leafa have applied generally does the conference set up make EoS more accessible than in was in the past? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: Whilst it does seem unlikely that 4 leafa have applied generally does the conference set up make EoS more accessible than in was in the past? I don't think it's really any more or less attractive than a straight divisional set-up with new applicants beginning in the bottom division (which would be a slightly less demanding environment to begin in, rather than a Conference). What's probably more of an attraction is former Junior clubs making the league much stronger and a more attractive place to be. All that said, the LEAFA thing is a pile of poo. There will probably be a club or two making enquires outwith current Junior clubs, but a block of clubs from one amateur league, nah. and the OP hasn't come back to expand..... Edited January 9, 2020 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, parsforlife said: Whilst it does seem unlikely that 4 leafa have applied generally does the conference set up make EoS more accessible than in was in the past? I don't think it's anything to do with the conferences exactly. It was more the fact it's regained its stability and you've got the benefit of licensing/pyramid. Before the Scottish Cup opened up and licensing became a thing the league was basically 2 divisions of 20-24 teams. There wasn't a ton of reason to join when you could perhaps have greater variety in the amateurs or juniors. Then you see a gradual increase to 26 with the likes of Burntisland signing up probably to help secure their SFA membership with all the changes. The league then gets gutted for the LL. Eventually down to a single division. Not the most appealing except for those with licensing as the end result. Now you've got a variety of opponents with increased membership. About to have stable divisions of some sort, which means promotion and relegation. Winnable cups for lower teams like the Alex Jack & King Cups. The Alex Jack being a potential pathway into the Scottish Cup. The development league for those interested in youth teams. It's become a lot more robust again that there's something for those big and small. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 18 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: There were two last season, so four in total isn't inconceivable if the likes of Eyemouth, Duns, Kelso and Selkirk were part of the equation. Think it's the LEAFA angle that makes it far-fetched. I agree that 4 applicant clubs from the LEAFA is very unlikely, and probably a windup. Very doubtful if any of their grounds meet the EoSL entry requirements. Looking at potential amateur applicants from elsewhere in the EosL catchment area :- * AM Soccer (Cupar) is an ambitious "Quality Mark" club, but is Duffus Park up to standard ? * Glenrothes Strollers could reapply after being rejected last year, but have the ground improvements required by the EoSL been carried out ? * border clubs Duns, Selkirk, Eyemouth, Kelso, etc all very unlikely to join the EoSL in the immediate future. However, there is speculation that a few East Junior clubs will apply to join for 2020/21. Whether this starts a rush from other Fife or West Lothian Juniors, remains to be seen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Tbh very few amateur sides have joined or even applied for EOSL in recent decades. Inverkeithing are a big youth set-up too. Duns alone really? Joined in 2011 but left in 2016. Gala Rovers were unsuccessful in 2005... since merged with Gala Fairydean... and over years been rumours surrounding likes of Chirnside, North Berwick, Tweedmouth Amateurs and West Barns Star. During the last third of a century interest in Edinburgh came from likes of Hutchison Vale, Leith Athletic and Christian Salvesen. Each intended using grounds like Campbell Park, Forester High or a now disappeared 3rd pitch at Marine Drive - only HV actually applied and ultimately the former pair merged with Lothian Thistle and Edinburgh Athletic respectively. Tynecastle also merged with Tollcross United. Links United were unsuccessful in 2008... before that you're back to Loanhead and Telman Star in early 1990s. St Bernard's were rumoured recently. Unsure how many of those clubs even still exist. Telman merged with Manor Thistle as Edinburgh Athletic - now Leith. Some club from Rosyth was rumoured a few years ago. Glenrothes Strollers were unsuccessful last season. Burntisland Shipyard joined from the Kingdom Caledonian Fife League as it was known in the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 If next season the EoS went to a divisional structure, this is how the lower levels could look like. I have taken guesses at ups and downs based on current standings, don’t be offended, Blackburn went down Three up/down between Premier and First and same with First and Second. Second division is obviously pretty small at the moment, Craigroyston may not be there and Eyemouth may or may not return, but there is the chance to increase this with new applicants. If not, you could tweak it by initially going with 14 clubs in the First and increase this as the Second increases. The First looks a very competitive division, and the Second has an “old EoS” feel to it, but a good environment for any returning clubs or new amateur/community clubs to find their feet and with three going up, ample opportunity for any of the bigger ex-Junior clubs joining to get promoted in their first season. Promoted to Premier Tynecastle Leith Ath Lothian Th HV First Division (16) Sauchie Juniors* Blackburn Utd* Whitehill Welfare* Inverkeithing HS Glenrothes Edinburgh Utd Dalkeith Th Preston Athletic Coldstream Stirling Uni Heriot Watt Uni Dunipace Haddington Ath St.Andrews Utd Kinnoull Oakley Utd Second Division (8/9) Burntisland Shipyard Peebles Rovers Ormiston Hawick RAU Tweedmouth Rangers Easthouses Lily Arniston Rangers Craigroyston* Eyemouth United* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: If next season the EoS went to a divisional structure, this is how the lower levels could look like. I have taken guesses at ups and downs based on current standings, don’t be offended, Blackburn went down Three up/down between Premier and First and same with First and Second. Second division is obviously pretty small at the moment, Craigroyston may not be there and Eyemouth may or may not return, but there is the chance to increase this with new applicants. If not, you could tweak it by initially going with 14 clubs in the First and increase this as the Second increases. The First looks a very competitive division, and the Second has an “old EoS” feel to it, but a good environment for any returning clubs or new amateur/community clubs to find their feet and with three going up, ample opportunity for any of the bigger ex-Junior clubs joining to get promoted in their first season. Promoted to Premier Tynecastle Leith Ath Lothian Th HV First Division (16) Sauchie Juniors* Blackburn Utd* Whitehill Welfare* Inverkeithing HS Glenrothes Edinburgh Utd Dalkeith Th Preston Athletic Coldstream Stirling Uni Heriot Watt Uni Dunipace Haddington Ath St.Andrews Utd Kinnoull Oakley Utd Second Division (8/9) Burntisland Shipyard Peebles Rovers Ormiston Hawick RAU Tweedmouth Rangers Easthouses Lily Arniston Rangers Craigroyston* Eyemouth United* Yeah, the Conferences have been likely for that kind of breakdown for a while. Keep in mind post LL creation the EoS did try and carry on with 2 divisions. As some clubs preferred the promotion/relegation aspect and chance of a trophy. I don't think any of those in the 2nd Division would mind that much. Plus fingers crossed it could be bolstered to double digits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Yeah, the Conferences have been likely for that kind of breakdown for a while. Keep in mind post LL creation the EoS did try and carry on with 2 divisions. As some clubs preferred the promotion/relegation aspect and chance of a trophy. I don't think any of those in the 2nd Division would mind that much. Plus fingers crossed it could be bolstered to double digits. Promotion/Relegation is the lifeblood of the game, and between the two Conferences there's only 3 spots available. Time to move on and offer plenty of movement up and down via a strong First Division IMO. Maybe in time, if the bulk of Fife and WL Junior clubs join, the Second could be regionalised in some form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Promotion/Relegation is the lifeblood of the game, and between the two Conferences there's only 3 spots available. Time to move on and offer plenty of movement up and down via a strong First Division IMO. Maybe in time, if the bulk of Fife and WL Junior clubs join, the Second could be regionalised in some form. Hopefully they make a preliminary judgment on it soon so that clubs would know what they are playing for into the back end of the season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Hopefully they make a preliminary judgment on it soon so that clubs would know what they are playing for into the back end of the season. Well if the worst does happen, it would be handy to know now, what we're dropping into! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieclub78 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: Well if the worst does happen, it would be handy to know now, what we're dropping into! Premier Division 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 They couldn't be anymore obvious 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Probably because they're former EoS players? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Probably because they're former EoS players? Since that went over the head a little. We'll delve deeper into the conspiracy! Telling ya. It's guaranteed Second Division Burntisland Shipyard Peebles Rovers Ormiston Hawick RAU Tweedmouth Rangers Easthouses Lily Arniston Rangers Sandys Fauldhouse United Craigroyston* Eyemouth United* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 12:37, Marten said: I regularly attend Tayside junior games, which won't come as a surprise to many people here. From discussions I've had with different people, of different clubs, it's pretty clear that Tayside clubs can't join the EOS if they wanted to. At least one club enquired and they were told it's not possible. So claiming any different is disingenuous. Definitely not all people I know in the Tayside juniors (far from it) are pro-pyramid or supportive of a move to the EOS should it be possible, so whether or not there would be a Tayside exodus remains to be seen, but that's not the point as the possibility to move to the EOS is definitely not there at the moment. Did they mention how they are finding the North Super and Premier League setup? Because that's basically what will be left if the Fife and West Lothian teams join the EOS. Which makes you wonder if the talk of "East Region at tier 6" and "done deal" is just to persuade the Lowland area teams to stay, so the Tayside clubs aren't left on their own. 6 hours ago, Burnie_man said: If next season the EoS went to a divisional structure, this is how the lower levels could look like. I have taken guesses at ups and downs based on current standings, don’t be offended, Blackburn went down While a 16 team First Division would be desirable, if we had the same number of teams as this season (40) then why not go 16-12-12 to begin with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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