New clubs in the East of Scotland

[Vollyman]

The Tayside clubs plus all Fife clubs could form a new league and be included in the pyramid call this league the Tayside and Fife League. West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs would join the EOS.The playoffs would then be between EOS WOS SOS and Tayside/Fife. The present boundary would require adjusting. There needs to be compromise accommodating all clubs. This is only a suggestion. The HL and Northern clubs would make their own arrangements.

[Guest]

The Tayside clubs plus all Fife clubs could form a new league and be included in the pyramid call this league the Tayside and Fife League. West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs would join the EOS.The playoffs would then be between EOS WOS SOS and Tayside/Fife. The present boundary would require adjusting. There needs to be compromise accommodating all clubs. This is only a suggestion. The HL and Northern clubs would make their own arrangements.

Why form a new league to accommodate teams from an association who has turned their noses up at the pyramid for years? Clubs are still doing it and want those leagues who have burst their arse to make their product better, on and off the park, to make further changes or sacrifice just because the juniors now want to play. Nope. Not for me. If the east region junior sides who missed their chance want in then they can join at the bottom of the eos leagues.

Tayside is a wider negotiation as they currently fall under HL, any change wouldn't include every team, particularly those further north of the current line. There is no requirement for a Tayside and Fife league, that's a backwards step.

[FairWeatherFan]

With the North/South split in the East Region the HL/LL boundary works just fine. Have the South integrate into the EoS and you're only left with a handful of anomalies within the league set ups.

Scone and Tayport. Bonnyton Thistle and Caledonian Braves reserves. Kello Rovers. Montrose Roselea. Only two of which break the fixed boundary of the HL/LL and that can be adjusted by lowering it slightly.

[Vollyman]

Why form a new league to accommodate teams from an association who has turned their noses up at the pyramid for years? Clubs are still doing it and want those leagues who have burst their arse to make their product better, on and off the park, to make further changes or sacrifice just because the juniors now want to play. Nope. Not for me. If the east region junior sides who missed their chance want in then they can join at the bottom of the eos leagues.

 

Tayside is a wider negotiation as they currently fall under HL, any change wouldn't include every team, particularly those further north of the current line. There is no requirement for a Tayside and Fife league, that's a backwards step.

Your entitled to your opinion but the option is we still continue with the PWG talking shop which has existed for more than a decade there needs to be compromise if the Pyramid is to succeed

[gaz5]

The Tayside clubs plus all Fife clubs could form a new league and be included in the pyramid call this league the Tayside and Fife League. West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs would join the EOS.The playoffs would then be between EOS WOS SOS and Tayside/Fife. The present boundary would require adjusting. There needs to be compromise accommodating all clubs. This is only a suggestion. The HL and Northern clubs would make their own arrangements.

There's already a league for Fife teams to go to within the pyramid and Tayside clubs with the exception of 2 are in the Highland catchment, not the Lowland, so can't play in the Lowland league (or Lowland League playoff) anyway.

All these off the wall suggestions aimed at enabling a small number of clubs in the East to circumvent the established route to the pyramid in that region are a waste of everyone's time.

Any South of the Tay teams who met the criteria and want to join the Pyramid, join the EoS league. Any who don't, stay in the juniors or the amateurs. Clubs need to make their own choice.

[Robert James]

9 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Think most are in agreement with you regarding only one EOS section with divisions underneath accordingly 

 

It is simple, if you are looking at it objectively and in the format that they pyramid system is running, then it should be EOS, a SOS and hopefully a WOS but you cannot forget the Highland / potential North area teams.

If all the juniors teams from the west then its just a straight forward four divisions with the current top division as the new WOS in tier 6.

If the East junior teams join in their current format then they could stay in their current format entering in at tier 8 under the EOS and EOS First, I know many in the juniors would not want that but you have to deal with it and that's what happened if your last to enter in a populated area.

The Highland league, if all the North juniors joined then stay as their current format and join in at Tier 6 for the highland section, promotion and relegation.
Not sure about the North Caledonian Football league as they are not incorporated into the pyramid system even though its classed as a senior league.

I suppose the way the format would work, East, West and South would all try to get promoted to the Lowland League and all the North teams would try and get promoted to the highland league.
Obviously the boundary issues for the Tay clubs has to be sorted but if my team was in that area and wanted to be promoted I'd think there was more chance via the North and Highland section than the East section.

The only way forward is to look at it objectively and that means the SFA, The Lowland, Highland, EOS, SOS etc.. and the Junior leagues of the West, East and North.
But boundaries must be sorted and if this means a slight change to the current boundary area then so be it.

The junior thread is in favour of only one East, in general, you will get a few with a different view but in general its the same.
https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/244580-junior-football-what-is-the-future/page/848/#comments

 

The North Caledonian League has met with the PWG and with the Highland League, and its clubs have confirmed their interest in joining the pyramid. However it is recognised that without the North Juniors joining, there wouldn't be a viable pyramid structure, because (geographically) there would need to be two separate  HFL feeder leagues, with a play-off system operating............ as and when the champions of the North Juniors and the North Caley leagues, are licensed.

Currently there are only 2 SFA member clubs in the north, both of whom have 'protected SFA membership status' : who are now at risk of losing their SFA membership, and as a consequence, losing their current Licence as well :

* Banks O'Dee (North Juniors)  who are in breach of the  "need to be committed to the pyramid" rule

* Golspie Sutherland (North Caley League)  who are in breach of the "floodlights" rule, and are not therefore eligible to join the HFL 

Coincidentally, it is interesting to note that the 2 champion clubs in 2018/19, were BoD and Golspie.

 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Robert James
post sent in error before completed

[AlanCamelonfan]

1 hour ago, Vollyman said:

The Tayside clubs plus all Fife clubs could form a new league and be included in the pyramid call this league the Tayside and Fife League. West Lothian and Stirlingshire clubs would join the EOS.The playoffs would then be between EOS WOS SOS and Tayside/Fife. The present boundary would require adjusting. There needs to be compromise accommodating all clubs. This is only a suggestion. The HL and Northern clubs would make their own arrangements.

I get why you say that because I thought about that before understanding th boundary. But 1. Tayside is highland and thn you lose great clubs like hill o beath out your set up to bring in no disrespect intended to stoneyburn and west Calder.

[Guest]

Your entitled to your opinion but the option is we still continue with the PWG talking shop which has existed for more than a decade there needs to be compromise if the Pyramid is to succeed

Why compromise when there are already leagues in the regions you describe?

Just because the juniors want on board 5 years later does not mean everyone who worked to design the current set up has to change what they have done. Turn it around for a minute.... Would the juniors do the same for associations looking to join their set up? (we all know the answer to that question)

When you have taken no interest in something but become forced into joining it by your members you can't then demand the set up changes.

[Vollyman]

The present EOS clubs would not need to change and the EOS would determine at what tier new clubs would enter.I am not speaking on behalf of a club I am a football supporter and I have no evidence of any club being forced by members to join the EOS. What has the EOS got to lose? If they stick their head in the sand and continue to use their power of veto there will be no progress

[Burnie_man]

13 minutes ago, Vollyman said:

The present EOS clubs would not need to change and the EOS would determine at what tier new clubs would enter.I am not speaking on behalf of a club I am a football supporter and I have no evidence of any club being forced by members to join the EOS. What has the EOS got to lose? If they stick their head in the sand and continue to use their power of veto there will be no progress

Let's remember the EoS are NOT blocking any progress.  They did not block the West region entering the Pyramid for this season, they backed that idea. The SJFA refused.

Junior clubs in the East who want to join the Pyramid do so by joining the EoS. Clubs who do not want to join the Pyramid remain Junior, like your club.

The EoS do not need to do anything here, they are the senior league covering the East of Scotland and clubs are free to join if they wish.  What they won't entertain is a ridiculous notion of a second senior league covering the same area.

 

[ian44wood]

2 options for the south of tay juniors.

1, Stay as you are in the jjuniors

2, Join the EOS  at the bottom tier

Can't be any clearer

[ian44wood]

2 hours ago, Vollyman said:

Your entitled to your opinion but the option is we still continue with the PWG talking shop which has existed for more than a decade there needs to be compromise if the Pyramid is to succeed

There's no compromise from the sjfa

[FairWeatherFan]

4 minutes ago, ian44wood said:

There's no compromise from the sjfa

They compromised by finally saying yes to the pyramid. Is that not enough

[Marten]

10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

They compromised by finally saying yes to the pyramid. Is that not enough

No, because they still want to dictate the terms. They are not willing to compromise in any way to actually get into the pyramid and still want to keep this artificial divide in non-league football.

[LongTimeLurker]

17 minutes ago, Marten said:

No, because they still want to dictate the terms...

And the EoS don't? Bear in mind that the SFA officeholders were siding with the SJFA last year and not with the EoS. Compromise involves everybody giving up something and so far there has been little sign of it from any of the parties involved.

[Marten]

19 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

And the EoS don't? Bear in mind that the SFA officeholders were siding with the SJFA last year and not with the EoS. Compromise involves everybody giving up something and so far there has been little sign of it from any of the parties involved.

EoS have been compromising quite a lot over the last years. The original EoS clubs showed a great deal of commitment by allowing all these clubs that applied to join the league, whilst knowing this would result in a very difficult season for nearly all of them, and a brutal one for some. They also will have known in advance that most clubs once the dust settles will be 1 or even 2 levels lower in the pyramid. Also, they agreed to let the WRJFA in which could make promotion for EoS champions more difficult. If that's not compromising, I don't know what is.

Edit: and that's even ignoring their support of the LL being set up in the first place which nearly killed the EoS at first.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Marten

[Guest]

And the EoS don't? Bear in mind that the SFA officeholders were siding with the SJFA last year and not with the EoS. Compromise involves everybody giving up something and so far there has been little sign of it from any of the parties involved.

When have the sfa officially 'sided' with the sjfa? What the sfa showed at the eos meeting they attended was their complete lack of understanding if the pyramid structure they were meant to be leading..... Probably guided by Mr Johnston telling tales along the corridor at hampden.

The eos have never used any 'power' to stop any league joining. What they made clear was they accepted a west league was a must have for the pyramid and even offered to help set it up, the simply rejected any notion of the ersjfa operating in the same area and at the same level of their own league in the east.

Get off your 'the juniors should get everything their own way' soapbox and take an objective look at the situation. We are a year down the line and the same people are looking for the same ridiculous ideas to be put in place and masking them as 'compromise' as it suits their agenda.

To be clear:
LL and HL (tier 5)
EOS, SOS and a new WOS (tier 6) feeding the LL and a league below the HL feeding it.
EOS Premier and WOS Premier operate as they are with current leagues operating underneath both.
There is absolutely no need, requirement or appetite to have the ersjfa operate as a seperate entity under the LL.

[LongTimeLurker]

...so in other words no compromise even if it means no pyramid.

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...so in other words no compromise even if it means no pyramid.

There is a working pyramid in the Lowland League area. There's an access point for anyone in the West and East of Scotland. Junior, amateur, youth any club can enter it.

There isn't a working pyramid in the Highland League area because the only way to enter it is by being a licensed club. Stuffing the East Region into the Lowland League area isn't going to fix that problem.

[gaz5]

...so in other words no compromise even if it means no pyramid.

The utter state of your posts today. [emoji1787]