parsforlife Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Examples might be taken from Step 7 Leagues (Levell 11) in England.Interesting if you can you give some examples? AM soccer can be added to the 'expressed interest, but ultimately didn't join' listThis so called development division is interesting but IMO best for it to be it's own league within the pyramid(tier 9?) probably needs to wait until the junior issues are ironed out. I wonder how much the management committee can help assist clubs, they have done a fantastic job with just about everything, I just wonder how much more they can take on. On strollers/Peebles. There has always been an issue in football that new entries are always held to a higher standard than those that got in under more lenient rules and haven't kept up. However I can't help but feel strollers have massively shot themselves in the foot by not sending a rep. The EoS is seeing the biggest range in terms of facilities as well as playing standards it's seen, perhaps this time next year with the structure a bit more permanent there can be different criteria for the different divisions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 If there was a merger and the EoS ended up with enough clubs to run the old ERJFA setup of 16-16-14/14 then you could relax the requirements for clubs in the two regional divisions which would be at tier 8. Ideally you would then have connections from tier 8 to all the amateur leagues to finish the pyramid, though I'm not knowledgable about how player contracts/registration works if say an EoS team was to be relegated into an amateur league, presumably it would need to be streamlined like in England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: Interesting if you can you give some examples? AM soccer can be added to the 'expressed interest, but ultimately didn't join' list This so called development division is interesting but IMO best for it to be it's own league within the pyramid(tier 9?) probably needs to wait until the junior issues are ironed out. I wonder how much the management committee can help assist clubs, they have done a fantastic job with just about everything, I just wonder how much more they can take on. On strollers/Peebles. There has always been an issue in football that new entries are always held to a higher standard than those that got in under more lenient rules and haven't kept up. However I can't help but feel strollers have massively shot themselves in the foot by not sending a rep. The EoS is seeing the biggest range in terms of facilities as well as playing standards it's seen, perhaps this time next year with the structure a bit more permanent there can be different criteria for the different divisions? 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: Interesting if you can you give some examples? AM soccer can be added to the 'expressed interest, but ultimately didn't join' list This so called development division is interesting but IMO best for it to be it's own league within the pyramid(tier 9?) probably needs to wait until the junior issues are ironed out. I wonder how much the management committee can help assist clubs, they have done a fantastic job with just about everything, I just wonder how much more they can take on. On strollers/Peebles. There has always been an issue in football that new entries are always held to a higher standard than those that got in under more lenient rules and haven't kept up. However I can't help but feel strollers have massively shot themselves in the foot by not sending a rep. The EoS is seeing the biggest range in terms of facilities as well as playing standards it's seen, perhaps this time next year with the structure a bit more permanent there can be different criteria for the different divisions? Good idea. There are different standards, at different tiers in the English pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac25 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Peebles said at the time they secured funding for the fence that this was a requirement to stay in the EoS. I think there will definitely be pressure on the public park teams to get their own houses in order 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Ginaro said: If there was a merger and the EoS ended up with enough clubs to run the old ERJFA setup of 16-16-14/14 then you could relax the requirements for clubs in the two regional divisions which would be at tier 8. Ideally you would then have connections from tier 8 to all the amateur leagues to finish the pyramid, though I'm not knowledgable about how player contracts/registration works if say an EoS team was to be relegated into an amateur league, presumably it would need to be streamlined like in England. Agreed, tier 8 would be a good level to lower the requirements to give teams a chance to start getting up the senior ladder while still improving their facilities. As long as they do work towards making the ground enclosed that should be enough imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, calmac25 said: Peebles said at the time they secured funding for the fence that this was a requirement to stay in the EoS. I think there will definitely be pressure on the public park teams to get their own houses in order As far as I can remember, the fencing problem for Peebles was raised before on here, and someone posted to say that their plan is to erect fencing at the start of each season, and remove them before the following cricket season starts. (Was this a windup, or did I imagine it, after a few drams too many ?) However, I understand that Peebles longer term ambition, is to move to a new ground. Edited May 3, 2019 by Robert James 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Ideally you would then have connections from tier 8 to all the amateur leagues to finish the pyramid, though I'm not knowledgable about how player contracts/registration works if say an EoS team was to be relegated into an amateur league, presumably it would need to be streamlined like in England.Our registration system is a fucking mess, many countries have all players signing the same form, why do we need 3? The divides it creates are stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYG Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Word on the street is Glenrothes Juniors would have folded by now too if it weren’t for stealing young players from the strollers. What Absolute rubbish , they had a few players as trailist to help out and gain experience but no stealing involved there no strollers players at the glens 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, COYG said: What Absolute rubbish , they had a few players as trailist to help out and gain experience but no stealing involved there no strollers players at the glens Is he talking about the Strollers under 20s side moving to the Glens which I believe was likely to happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYG Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Is he talking about the Strollers under 20s side moving to the Glens which I believe was likely to happen?The glens are starting up there own under 20’s I believe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 hours ago, COYG said: The glens are starting up there own under 20’s I believe My understanding was that there was to be a meeting to discuss the oldest Strollers team moving en masse to the juniors. This is partly what prompted the strollers to apply to the EOS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYG Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 My understanding was that there was to be a meeting to discuss the oldest Strollers team moving en masse to the juniors. This is partly what prompted the strollers to apply to the EOS.Thsts just Chinese whispers , as far as I am aware they are starting up there own 20’s team next season as per there announcement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Pyramidic said: I have had similar thoughts today. To build up the numbers the top Amateur clubs in the East might be invited to participate. Pitches initially would just be roped off and perhaps clubs could participate in the Scottish Amateur Cup. Basically the Development Division could incubate future Senior Clubs and the EoSFL Management could perhaps help facilitate and help iron out problems to enable progression. Examples might be taken from Step 7 Leagues (Levell 11) in England. 18 hours ago, parsforlife said: Interesting if you can you give some examples? Hellenic League Division Two Easthttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/254/ Hellenic League Division Two Westhttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/255/ Southern Combination League Division Twohttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/78/ Spartan South Midlands League Division Twohttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/74/ Midland Football League Division Twohttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/216/ Midland Football League Division Threehttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/217/ West Midlands (Regional) League Division Onehttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/83/ West Midlands (Regional) League Division Twohttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/155/ Wearside Football League - Durham and Wearside Development Divisionhttps://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/divisions/251/ A mix of examples are provided above. As would be expected some Senior Leagues such as the Hellenic are catering for Reserves and Development sides as well as First Teams. If the EoSFL decided to go down the route of creating an Amateur / Development Division only those clubs meeting the set criteria would be eligible for promotion to the Senior League (Tier 7 or 8 dependent on structure?). A big bonus would be that a Pyramid could be created with relegation to the District Amateur leagues and promotion of champions in the opposite direction. Something I am sure HibeeJibee & Co could achieve if it was felt that it would be a move in the right direction. Edited May 4, 2019 by Pyramidic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 On 03/05/2019 at 15:39, LongTimeLurker said: On 04/05/2019 at 07:05, patriot1 said: My understanding was that there was to be a meeting to discuss the oldest Strollers team moving en masse to the juniors. This is partly what prompted the strollers to apply to the EOS. Another surprising absence who were sometimes rumoured to be doing it last year were Bathgate Thistle (they could probably get licensed very easily even with the floodlight requirement tacked on) and they now have Blackburn playing EoS premier almost on their doorstep next season, who they probably view as a smaller club that should be in their shadow. Also Blackburn will be playing in the Scottish Cup next season, which might unsettle Bathgate's junior status ?. ____________ Patriot's post seems to contradict announcements from both Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta, that they intend to reapply to join the EoSL next year. ____________ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Also Blackburn will be playing in the Scottish Cup next season, which might unsettle Bathgate's junior status ?. ____________ Patriot's post seems to contradict announcements from both Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta, that they intend to reapply to join the EoSL next year. ____________To be honest, West Lothian clubs on the whole are fairly parochial, it's like Ayrshire with regards go "loyalty to the grade".They've had two chances now and only three have moved. I can't see any others moving unless there is a deal, they don't want to be seen as "traitors" which I believe is still an oft used term in ERJFA circles.The fact we are now in the Premier and licenced probably makes no difference. More fool them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: To be honest, West Lothian clubs on the whole are fairly parochial, it's like Ayrshire with regards go "loyalty to the grade". They've had two chances now and only three have moved. I can't see any others moving unless there is a deal, they don't want to be seen as "traitors" which I believe is still an oft used term in ERJFA circles. The fact we are now in the Premier and licenced probably makes no difference. More fool them. Yep, and congratulations to your club. A poster has stated twice that another EJFA club is considering a late EoS application, and that it isn't a Fife/Tayside club. Any thoughts ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Can't see it being anyone else from West Lothian,as Burnie said it's like Ayrshire,loyalty and staunchness to the grade. I personally know some of the Whitburn committee and you would have to drag them kicking and screaming to the pyramid,Bathgate likewise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Robert James said: Yep, and congratulations to your club. A poster has stated twice that another EJFA club is considering a late EoS application, and that it isn't a Fife/Tayside club. Any thoughts ? Thanks. My thoughts are there will be no more applications, however there is an EoS board meeting tonight so I guess we'll find out more at some point soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Burnie_man said: To be honest, West Lothian clubs on the whole are fairly parochial, it's like Ayrshire with regards go "loyalty to the grade". They've had two chances now and only three have moved. I can't see any others moving unless there is a deal, they don't want to be seen as "traitors" which I believe is still an oft used term in ERJFA circles. The fact we are now in the Premier and licenced probably makes no difference. More fool them. I think the nail has been hit squarely on the head here - it would appear that the parochial nature of those who hold the majority sway in the committees of each of the remaining Junior clubs in West Lothian will win the day for a second time. If the chance of making the move to the EoSFL isn't taken this time around and Tier 7 football inside a professional and outward looking organisation secured in doing so then it'll only be Tier 8 football open to them when the opportunity next arises. Continuing to accept deliberate misinformation and incompetence from their own league and association, demonstrably deliberate misinformation and incompetence, makes me wonder if anyone inside these committees has their eye on the ball. If what has been achieved by Broxburn Athletic and by Blackburn United in terms of EoSFL Premier League and Scottish Cup football next season isn't an enormous pointer in the direction that these remaining West Lothian clubs really should and need to be taking then more fool them indeed. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Black & Red Socks said: I think the nail has been hit squarely on the head here - it would appear that the parochial nature of those who hold the majority sway in the committees of each of the remaining Junior clubs in West Lothian will win the day for a second time. If the chance of making the move to the EoSFL isn't taken this time around and Tier 7 football inside a professional and outward looking organisation secured in doing so then it'll only be Tier 8 football open to them when the opportunity next arises. Continuing to accept deliberate misinformation and incompetence from their own league and association, demonstrably deliberate misinformation and incompetence, makes me wonder if anyone inside these committees has their eye on the ball. If what has been achieved by Broxburn Athletic and by Blackburn United in terms of EoSFL Premier League and Scottish Cup football next season isn't an enormous pointer in the direction that these remaining West Lothian clubs really should and need to be taking then more fool them indeed. But according to Fauldhouse manager they get told everything fron ersjfa. Glad he stayed where he was 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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