AlanCamelonfan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 4 hours ago, buboy said: Not much you can do when clubs fold.. starting out with odd numbers in each league must be the way ahead sorry for my ignorance ....... Still better than the shambles we were in. In the juniors teams were idle and there were an even number of teams so quit looking for excuses for having a go at an organisation willing to move the game forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Still better than the shambles we were in. In the juniors teams were idle and there were an even number of teams so quit looking for excuses for having a go at an organisation willing to move the game forward Hear hear that man, the fixture guy does a bloody great job in producing a detailed fixture list, an mind he's a guy wi a job and like everybody else does it in his spare time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 8 hours ago, buboy said: Shambles if that doesn't happen would need Einstein to work out that with a different 3 teams idle every week Shambles? Remember we have been playing in the Superleague, such a wonderful institution it didn't even have fixtures planned for more than a month ahead (if you were extremely lucky). Many weeks in the past we have been sat idle because of the Junior Cup and its precedence over everything, then left with a huge catch up at the end of the season. Now that's what I call a shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jambo'ness said: s in the past we have been sat idle because of the Junior Cup and its precedence over everything, then left with a huge catch up at the end of the season. Now that's what I call a shambles. So the Junior Cup shouldn't have had precedence? Really? Are you sure you have thought that through? -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, Khufu2 said: So the Junior Cup shouldn't have had precedence? Really? Are you sure you have thought that through? He is correct, the junior cup has caused chaos fixture wise for years as well you know. Logically it should have been played August, September, October and resumed again in March to reduce the effects of poor weather. Instead we had clubs sitting idle for weeks every season. Madness. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesw Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 The 3x13 will only be in year 1 surely to create a level playing field so everyone plays same games and has no excuses. Year 2 onwards will hopefully see a 14-14-12 split with room for new entries in the bottom league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 hours ago, MAC THE KNIFE said: RE League sizes :- U have to take into account games lost to bad weather . But then some Junior clubs are very used to play 3 /4 times a week at the end of the season ! Any one know if clubs can be Members of 2 Local associations ? eg Shire & Camelon joining / staying with the Stirlingshire FA & also the E Sco Assoc . The Shire are missing out in playing in |E Lge Cups when the Stirlingshire Cup is not being played because of " Big " Stirlingshire Association teams claiming fixture congestion ! How hard is it for them to find 2 / 3 midweek spots for their reserve / youth teams ? They just scrub the Cup rather than scratching & letting the teams that want to compete play the competition. After all its the only realistic competition any of the teams are going to win so why Cancel the competition ! You can be in both your local association and the East of Scotland FA, both Burntisland and Kelty are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kefc Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) The fixture man who is on here does an absolutely fantastic job for the LL and EOS, a clever individual who I’d trust 100% to get things right more often than not. Edited June 2, 2018 by kefc 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeek Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 The 3x13 will only be in year 1 surely to create a level playing field so everyone plays same games and has no excuses. Year 2 onwards will hopefully see a 14-14-12 split with room for new entries in the bottom league As it's a pyramid, is there not a good chance that the tier 7/8 (probably would be further regionalised? At this point you're 3 levels away from licencing criteria and could conceivably have traditional amateur teams in there, Cupar Hearts etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeek said: As it's a pyramid, is there not a good chance that the tier 7/8 (probably would be further regionalised? At this point you're 3 levels away from licencing criteria and could conceivably have traditional amateur teams in there, Cupar Hearts etc? If all the East Juniors join the EoS you'd have 59 for 2019/20 (plus one more if two were relegated from the LL) - which would be the same as the Juniors just now. So either copy their 16-16-14/14 format and regionalise at tier 8, or regionalise at tier 7 with 16-12/12-10/10 and bring in amateur teams to increase the numbers at the bottom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jeek said: As it's a pyramid, is there not a good chance that the tier 7/8 (probably would be further regionalised? At this point you're 3 levels away from licencing criteria and could conceivably have traditional amateur teams in there, Cupar Hearts etc? I'd say regionalise at Tier 7. Keep in mind clubs are going to be filtered through to the Lowland League playing only a couple of EoS seasons and the clubs on the way down aren't necessarily of the same standard. Look at this year where you have Kelty (repeat Superleague champions) being replaced by Hawick (repeat bottom club in the pre-pyramid EoS). Both well run clubs, and hopefully Hawick have improved on the field having had their experience in the Lowland but based on previous perfomances they don't compare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Yes up in my neck of the woods where eos traveling against diddly squat traveling for next season's fife/Tayside superleague. That was the main reason for not moving now.They will be hoping you have a regional split which should more or less ensure a fife region eos tier 7 in 2019/20 for tayport , Newburgh etc.Again little travel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) Expected EoS - 39 clubs (including Sauchie & Oakley): 7 - Fife 6 - Edinburgh 6 - Midlothian 6 - East Lothian 5 - Scottish Borders & Tweedmouth 3 - West Lothian 3 - Falkirk 1 - Clackmannanshire 1 - Stirling 1 - Perth & Kinross South of Tay East Region clubs - 20 clubs: 9 - Fife 9 - West Lothian 2 - Perth & Kinross 16 clubs form EoS Premier 2019-20. The rest of the juniors come in and you get: Edited June 2, 2018 by FairWeatherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 13 hours ago, buboy said: Do 3 teams sit idle every weekend as there are only 13 in each league if so seems a strange solution to 39 teams If there are 39 clubs then you can't avoid it unless you went 14 / 14 / 11 or maybe 12 / 12 / 15; which really would be a strange solution given some clubs would get 6 more games than others. 10 hours ago, MAC THE KNIFE said: RE League sizes :- U have to take into account games lost to bad weather . But then some Junior clubs are very used to play 3 /4 times a week at the end of the season ! Any one know if clubs can be Members of 2 Local associations ? eg Shire & Camelon joining / staying with the Stirlingshire FA & also the E Sco Assoc . The Shire are missing out in playing in |E Lge Cups when the Stirlingshire Cup is not being played because of " Big " Stirlingshire Association teams claiming fixture congestion ! How hard is it for them to find 2 / 3 midweek spots for their reserve / youth teams ? They just scrub the Cup rather than scratching & letting the teams that want to compete play the competition. After all its the only realistic competition any of the teams are going to win so why Cancel the competition ! There is nothing to prevent clubs being members of 2 local FAs: as noted Burntisland and Kelty are, and play in the Fife Cup. There would be nothing stopping East Stirlingshire joining EOSFA like everyone else though till now perhaps it's been down to arrangements for groundsharing Ochilview (which could be solved with this move to Falkirk where they played some cup-ties last season). However in practice the Forfarshire and Stirlingshire cups are effectively suspended, leaving only the Fife Cup of interest to clubs, and you have to be in senior football for 1yr to join. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: I'd say regionalise at Tier 7. Keep in mind clubs are going to be filtered through to the Lowland League playing only a couple of EoS seasons and the clubs on the way down aren't necessarily of the same standard. Look at this year where you have Kelty (repeat Superleague champions) being replaced by Hawick (repeat bottom club in the pre-pyramid EoS). Both well run clubs, and hopefully Hawick have improved on the field having had their experience in the Lowland but based on previous perfomances they don't compare. Regionalising at tier 7 for 2019/20 would surely be in the best interests of the smaller clubs, and is unquestionable if there is to be a tier 8. For example 16 (Premier) and 2x14 (or 2x16 ?) Regional "conferences" (good title, should keep it permanently), giving a total of 44 (or 48)EoSL clubs. However, it is very difficult to predict how many new applicants there will be in a year's time. Some yes, but there may be a group of clubs who wish to remain "junior" , as they have not expressed any interest in the pyramid so far. It is also conceivable that if the West of Scotland pyramid league, isn't agreed, it won't only be Clydebank that will be heading East. It will be a very interesting year both on the field, and off it, if a high proportion of the ex-junior clubs obtain their licence by April 2019. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Expected EoS - 39 clubs (including Sauchie & Oakley): 7 - Fife 6 - Edinburgh 6 - Midlothian 5 - East Lothian 5 - Scottish Borders & Tweedmouth 3 - West Lothian 3 - Falkirk 1 - Clackmannanshire 1 - Stirling 1 - Perth & Kinross South of Tay East Region clubs - 20 clubs: 9 - Fife 9 - West Lothian 2 - Perth & Kinross 16 clubs form EoS Premier 2019-20. The rest of the juniors come in and you get: If enough extra clubs join, the above would be a sensible structure (local rivalries, better attendances, and less travel costs, etc). Promotion and relegation could be tricky though, if there is only 3 down and 3 up, as only the champions of the 3 'Regional Conferences' would be promoted each season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robert James said: If enough extra clubs join, the above would be a sensible structure (local rivalries, better attendances, and less travel costs, etc). Promotion and relegation could be tricky though, if there is only 3 down and 3 up, as only the champions of the 3 'Regional Conferences' would be promoted each season. I'd have 4th bottom and the conference runners up in a playoff. 2 legged semi finals with a one off neutral venue final. Figure that'd give a nice turn out for end of season casual fans that pop along to games at that time of year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: I'd have 4th bottom and the conference runners up in a playoff. 2 legged semi finals with a one off neutral venue final. Figure that'd give a nice turn out for end of season casual fans that pop along to games at that time of year. Good idea in principle, giving the possibility of 4 down from EoSL Premier, and 3 (Regional Conference champions) + 1 being promoted, unless the play-off winner is the 13th club in the Premier, rather than 1 of the 3 second place Conference clubs, being successful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Robert James said: Good idea in principle, giving the possibility of 4 down from EoSL Premier, and 3 (Regional Conference champions) + 1 being promoted, unless the play-off winner is the 13th club in the Premier, rather than 1 of the 3 second place Conference clubs, being successful. It all seems nice and neat. Then you go but what if no club gets relegated from the LL that's from the EoS catchment area? An additional club has to be relegated from the LL due to the SPFL/LL/HL playoff, what would be the knock on effect to the EoS Premier and down the line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundesliga Boy Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Expected EoS - 39 clubs (including Sauchie & Oakley): 7 - Fife 6 - Edinburgh 6 - Midlothian 5 - East Lothian 5 - Scottish Borders & Tweedmouth 3 - West Lothian 3 - Falkirk 1 - Clackmannanshire 1 - Stirling 1 - Perth & Kinross South of Tay East Region clubs - 20 clubs: 9 - Fife 9 - West Lothian 2 - Perth & Kinross 16 clubs form EoS Premier 2019-20. The rest of the juniors come in and you get: When you count up the figures there's actually only 38 clubs, plus I only count two clubs in Falkirk (Camelon and Dunipace) which would indicate there's maybe two clubs missing. If I've got my geography right, and that's a big IF, the missing 2 may be in East and West Lothians where I count 6 and 4 as opposed to 5 and 3. E - Preston, Ormiston, Dunbar, Musselburgh, Haddington and Tranent. W - Linlithgow, Bo'ness, Blackburn and Broxburn. Appreciate the breakdown as it makes for some interesting reading, and who knows, may increase yet in the next couple of days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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