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Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

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31 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Problem with Alba getting representation is that they would then be involved in any independence campaign if one is granted. State media would then no exactly what to do....focus on Toxic Salmond.

I don't quite see it that way. More the Greens/a further left leaning SNP Vs a populist alba vision of Scotland getting more media time. Instead of unionist v nationalist. Which could be more constructive in the long run. As it's a change to the same arguments that go nowhere. And could energise people more

Not that I particularly want to see any of them elected. But I could see it as the beginning of replacing the Tories in Scotland.

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2 hours ago, Juanhourjoe said:

I don't quite see it that way. More the Greens/a further left leaning SNP Vs a populist alba vision of Scotland getting more media time. Instead of unionist v nationalist. Which could be more constructive in the long run. As it's a change to the same arguments that go nowhere. And could energise people more

Not that I particularly want to see any of them elected. But I could see it as the beginning of replacing the Tories in Scotland.

I don't believe Salmond should be anywhere near mainstream politics. But......I do believe that the campaign for independence needs a serious shake up. 

The perfect storm is one where Alba take enough list seats from the Tories and Labour to make them look ridiculous, and to give independence supporting parties a huge majority in Holyrood. 

Salmond returning to parliament would give every single thing a different dynamic. The two biggest beasts in Scottish politics would be front and centre and would relegate the wee linesman, Sarwar and Rennie to utter irrelevance. 

Tbh, I think everyone is dreading another 5 years of constitutional status quo. Another 5 years of promising a referendum but being unable to procure one, another 5 years of daily 'SNP accused...' headlines, another 5 years of this, that, and more of the same. 

Maybe a good shake up is just what Scottish politics needs. 

 

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1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I don't believe Salmond should be anywhere near mainstream politics. But......I do believe that the campaign for independence needs a serious shake up. 

The perfect storm is one where Alba take enough list seats from the Tories and Labour to make them look ridiculous, and to give independence supporting parties a huge majority in Holyrood. 

Salmond returning to parliament would give every single thing a different dynamic. The two biggest beasts in Scottish politics would be front and centre and would relegate the wee linesman, Sarwar and Rennie to utter irrelevance. 

Tbh, I think everyone is dreading another 5 years of constitutional status quo. Another 5 years of promising a referendum but being unable to procure one, another 5 years of daily 'SNP accused...' headlines, another 5 years of this, that, and more of the same. 

Maybe a good shake up is just what Scottish politics needs. 

 

My worry is what will Salmond want if he is in a simalar position to the greens the now, where he becomes king maker.

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11 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

My worry is what will Salmond want if he is in a simalar position to the greens the now, where he becomes king maker.

Maybe, and I agree that there a huge amount of negative issues tied up with Salmond being involved in politics again.

But....the SNP will not survive another 5 years in its current state. The impetus for change, regeneration or whatever, has got to come from somewhere. It could well be Salmond who forces change upon the party.

That may be no bad thing.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Maybe, and I agree that there a huge amount of negative issues tied up with Salmond being involved in politics again.

But....the SNP will not survive another 5 years in its current state. The impetus for change, regeneration or whatever, has got to come from somewhere. It could well be Salmond who forces change upon the party.

That may be no bad thing.

 

 

Yes I'm sick of the carrot dangling when they have known for a few years the tories were going to tell them to bolt on a new ref. They should have had this in court before brexit and also set up a ferry port and trade route on the east coast rather than trying to save the english from themselves. They need to let us know what they intend to do to get a referendum within a year if the get back in.

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9 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

Yes I'm sick of the carrot dangling when they have known for a few years the tories were going to tell them to bolt on a new ref. They should have had this in court before brexit and also set up a ferry port and trade route on the east coast rather than trying to save the english from themselves. They need to let us know what they intend to do to get a referendum within a year if the get back in.

Too risky, the polls might drop 2%.

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10 hours ago, dirty dingus said:

My worry is what will Salmond want if he is in a simalar position to the greens the now, where he becomes king maker.

I cannot see that happening.

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10 hours ago, dirty dingus said:

Yes I'm sick of the carrot dangling when they have known for a few years the tories were going to tell them to bolt on a new ref. They should have had this in court before brexit and also set up a ferry port and trade route on the east coast rather than trying to save the english from themselves. They need to let us know what they intend to do to get a referendum within a year if the get back in.

Totally agree with that, we used to have the Rosyth to Zeebrugge freight only, and also the Rosyth to Hook of Holland which had freight and passengers.

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Totally agree with that, we used to have the Rosyth to Zeebrugge freight only, and also the Rosyth to Hook of Holland which had freight and passengers.
Dundee had a ro-ro ferry as well, it only lasted a few months though.

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25 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

I cannot see that happening.

That's what Salmond is angling for. SNP to fall short of an outright majority, Alba to take Greens seats and become the puppet master for independence. Its what his disgustingly inflated ego demands.

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They should have had this in court before brexit and also set up a ferry port and trade route on the east coast rather than trying to save the english from themselves.


Trade is reserved.

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21 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:


 

 


Trade is reserved.

Yes I know but getting infastructure set up for eventual trade routes after independence coud counter Westminsters guards at Berwick, paperwork nightmares etc..etc..

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What the poliing is now showing is that any swing in SNP list votes to either the Greens or Alba will have an exponential increase in potential size of Pro-Indy majority. 

Greens and Alba with 14% of the projected list vote would be predicted to take 14 seats. SNP with 39% of the list vote, predicted to take 1 list seat. If half that remaining 39% SNP vote were to swing to either of these the pro indy majority could be absolutely huge.

Also, the Greens are at 2% on Constituency and Alba not standing, there is literally no risk to the 69 seats projected to go to the SNP on the constituency from either of these 2 parties..

 

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1 hour ago, Double Jack D said:

What the poliing is now showing is that any swing in SNP list votes to either the Greens or Alba will have an exponential increase in potential size of Pro-Indy majority. 

Greens and Alba with 14% of the projected list vote would be predicted to take 14 seats. SNP with 39% of the list vote, predicted to take 1 list seat. If half that remaining 39% SNP vote were to swing to either of these the pro indy majority could be absolutely huge.

Also, the Greens are at 2% on Constituency and Alba not standing, there is literally no risk to the 69 seats projected to go to the SNP on the constituency from either of these 2 parties..

 

Alba winning seats may increase representation at Holyrood but will not make getting a second referendum or successful outcome in said referendum any easier.  The idea that Salmond will work constructively with Sturgeon is, to say the least, far fetched.

My list vote will be going to the Greens.

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47 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Alba winning seats may increase representation at Holyrood but will not make getting a second referendum or successful outcome in said referendum any easier.  The idea that Salmond will work constructively with Sturgeon is, to say the least, far fetched.

My list vote will be going to the Greens.

Totally agree with everything apart from the getting a second referendum bit. A both votes SNP strategy risks not delivering a pro indy majority so the more 2nd votes that go to the Greens or Alba the better to secure that. The successful outcome of the second indyref is by no means certain regardless of Holyrood make up after May 6th.

As with the Greens, there will be things Alba will oppose SNP on. I'm not sure that's a bad thing.

I think I'm currently with the Greens on my second vote, not 100% there but they're the clear front runner. It may change to Alba depending on the next few weeks. I will definitely not be wasting it on SNP.

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58 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Alba winning seats may increase representation at Holyrood but will not make getting a second referendum or successful outcome in said referendum any easier.  The idea that Salmond will work constructively with Sturgeon is, to say the least, far fetched.

My list vote will be going to the Greens.

Be careful with these polls, I saw the tory rag the  ST one where the SNP had a clear majority, the Greens and Alba picked up a lot of seats and most significantly it showed the tories losing 7 seats, overall the poll showed a massive swing to Independence parties.

However this could well  be old fashioned 'Doublespeak' to put frighteners on the tory/unionist voters to get out and vote to put the Independence hordes back in their place.

False polls have been used before especially nearer.the election day so don't get too carried away with polls in the tory press.

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Yes I know but getting infastructure set up for eventual trade routes after independence coud counter Westminsters guards at Berwick, paperwork nightmares etc..etc..
Could you explain how ScotGov could set up the infrastructure for a reserved matter before independence?

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Does anyone actually know any of Alba's policies yet apart from independence?

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10 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:
4 hours ago, dirty dingus said:
Yes I know but getting infastructure set up for eventual trade routes after independence coud counter Westminsters guards at Berwick, paperwork nightmares etc..etc..

Could you explain how ScotGov could set up the infrastructure for a reserved matter before independence?

Transport is not reserved.

The Scottish Government runs the country in relation to matters that are devolved from Westminster. This includes: the economy, education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport and taxation

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