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There are currently in no UK passenger ferry services to Scandinavia.

There is a freight route, but it is a 26 hour route from Immingham to Sweden. 

Surely then a big gap in the market for a Rosyth-Stavanger combined passenger/ freight service.

Regardless...... if Scotgov are serious about laying down the foundations for us rejoining the EU, they have to seriously think about building up our port infrastructure and connections on the East coast.

Methil docks is the obvious example of a mothballed existing structure with container port potential. Once the rail link is back in to Levenmouth even more so. As it stands at the moment, all the below is currently just crumbling into the sea

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3 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

Regardless...... if Scotgov are serious about laying down the foundations for us rejoining the EU, they have to seriously think about building up our port infrastructure and connections on the East coast.

Regardless they'll have to wait until we're independent to do so.

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Just now, Baxter Parp said:

Er...yes?

Eh...naw.

It has nothing to do with immigration.....or reserved trade powers.....It's about boosting Scottish infrastructure and transport links to the continent, which most definitely does not come under the auspices of reserved powers. It's completely within the competence of Holyrood.

If Scotgov are in any way serious about independence and rejoining the EU in any of our lifetimes, then it's exactly the kind of project they need to be seriously looking at.

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Just now, git-intae-thum said:

Eh...naw.

It has nothing to do with immigration.....or reserved trade powers.....It's about boosting Scottish infrastructure and transport links to the continent, which most definitely does not come under the auspices of reserved powers. It's completely within the competence of Holyrood.

If Scotgov are in any way serious about independence and rejoining the EU in any of our lifetimes, then it's exactly the kind of project they need to be seriously looking at.

But this is nonsense.  There is an existing ferry port at Rosyth, what possible justification is there for building/improving another one if that one is already unused? ScotGov would get torn apart by Audit Scotland, the UK Government, Holyrood and the MSM.

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43 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

But this is nonsense.  There is an existing ferry port at Rosyth, what possible justification is there for building/improving another one if that one is already unused? ScotGov would get torn apart by Audit Scotland, the UK Government, Holyrood and the MSM.

 

...You are maybe getting yourself a wee bit confused between ferry ports and container/cargo ports.

If Scotland is to become an independent state and specifically an EU member we will require ports. Not passenger ports but freight/container ports. Without them all our import/export goods will continue to transit rUK and attract probable delays and punitive tariffs. It is something that needs addressed pre independence.

Fwiw, I was just using the unused facilities at Methil as an example. I am not making a point about Methil docks in particular

Scotlands only sizeable container port on the East coast is Grangemouth, which is understandably mainly adapted to suit the petrochemical industry. We do not have a freight container port.

Now if Independence in Europe is the goal, then long term Strategic thinking would suggest that targeted investment for regeneration of deprived East coast port towns and their facilities ain't a bad idea.

Despite the nonsensical blabber about trade and immigration you came out with, such regeneration initiatives are completely within Scotgovs competence. If they are marketed as regeneration and show some creation of wealth and enterprise, Audit Scotland would have no reason to criticize. If an intended consequence  is increased port capacity, then job done. ......and who cares what the Yoon opposition or MSM thinks...they would criticize anyway.

It is something that is long overdue serious consideration.

 

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5 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

 

...You are maybe getting yourself a wee bit confused between ferry ports and container/cargo ports.

If Scotland is to become an independent state and specifically an EU member we will require ports. Not passenger ports but freight/container ports. Without them all our import/export goods will continue to transit rUK and attract probable delays and punitive tariffs. It is something that needs addressed pre independence.

Fwiw, I was just using the unused facilities at Methil as an example. I am not making a point about Methil docks in particular

Scotlands only sizeable container port on the East coast is Grangemouth, which is understandably mainly adapted to suit the petrochemical industry. We do not have a freight container port.

Now if Independence in Europe is the goal, then long term Strategic thinking would suggest that targeted investment for regeneration of deprived East coast port towns and their facilities ain't a bad idea.

Despite the nonsensical blabber about trade and immigration you came out with, such regeneration initiatives are completely within Scotgovs competence. If they are marketed as regeneration and show some creation of wealth and enterprise, Audit Scotland would have no reason to criticize. If an intended consequence  is increased port capacity, then job done. ......and who cares what the Yoon opposition or MSM thinks...they would criticize anyway.

It is something that is long overdue serious consideration.

 

Have to agree with you here. No doubt Covid hit at the wrong moment for the proposed Groningen route, though apparently securing commercial funding had proved difficult.

There had been plans for a Rosyth container port as far back as 2010? I guess that we would need to regenerate some of the rail links around Rosyth to cope with the large freight trains?

It absolutely is something that needs looked at and is well overdue. 

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The most vital part of a port's success is road access and with dual carriageways north and south and west to all parts of the central belt then Rosyth is in a prime location.

Scandinavian trade could be dealt with from Aberdeen, presently the largest port project in the UK is at Aberdeen's South Harbour expansion costing £350 Million, have a look at their website.

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...You are maybe getting yourself a wee bit confused between ferry ports and container/cargo ports.
If Scotland is to become an independent state and specifically an EU member we will require ports. Not passenger ports but freight/container ports. Without them all our import/export goods will continue to transit rUK and attract probable delays and punitive tariffs. It is something that needs addressed pre independence.
Fwiw, I was just using the unused facilities at Methil as an example. I am not making a point about Methil docks in particular
Scotlands only sizeable container port on the East coast is Grangemouth, which is understandably mainly adapted to suit the petrochemical industry. We do not have a freight container port.

 
Eh? Rosyth is a cargo port.

https://www.forthports.co.uk/our-ports/rosyth/

And Grangemouth is not mainly adapted to the petro-chemical industry.

https://www.forthports.co.uk/our-ports/grangemouth/

If you have to make up shit to support your argument, maybe you should have a rethink.


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9 minutes ago, Pato said:

I hope Labour can overtake the tories into second place. The lib dems must surely be close to disintegrating into islands autonomy parties.

I briefly thought the same, but I’ve come round to thinking that independence is a thing made more likely by the Tories fronting pro-London-rule Scottish puppetry rather than Labour. Labour were a force against Indy in 2014; they’ve been hollowed out north and south of the border since then, but a resurgence might well lead to a rerun of 2014 in any future Indyref debate, in which they’re in a position to hoodwink swathes of the public into thinking the future of the UK will be brighter and less Tory. So aye, f**k ‘em. The Tories being the opposition party of hard, NI-style unionism is probably better for independence. Their loathsomeness deserves maximum attention.

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1 hour ago, Highland Capital said:

So there could well be Salmond's desired 'supermajority' afterall - it'll be due to a Green surge though, not from his ragtag mob.

If anything, I think Alba has led to SNP supporters actually thinking about their constituency vote. Hence the Greens picking up more. Its not the outcome he wanted but it still achieves the fabled super majority. 

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