Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

[Kyle 3,537]

10 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The use of better didn't imply optimal. Those numbers would definitely be better for the SNP than the 2017 general election outcome. A lot depends on whether tactical voting is going to be mainly anti-SNP or anti-Tory on how the marginals will pan out this time. The Tories might be piling on voters in central belt constituencies where they have no chance rather than in their areas of strength.

I think the opposite is likely to be happening to be honest. They'll be piling on votes in areas that voted most strongly for Brexit - the North East and the Borders. It makes the seats in the central belt a bit more vulernable but probably pushes the likes of Moray/Banff and Buchan completely out of reach.

[jimmer 12]

Section 30 order ? You must be joking. Make sure you order a yellow vest from Santa this Xmas.

[LongTimeLurker 1,236]

The breakdowns in the Ipsos-Mori poll are worth a look:

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-11/ipsos-mori-scotland-election-2019-pm-tables.pdf

For example, in Glasgow they predict amongst registered voters 18+ and 9or10/10 certain to vote:

SNP 39, Tories 27, Lab 20, LDem 10, Greens  3, Brexit 0 [undecided 10, Refused 1]

while in NE Scotland they have:

SNP 50, Tories 30, LDem 10, Lab 6, Greens 2 [undecided 6, Refused 3]

[John Lambies Doos 3,297]

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

[HTG 3,563]

14 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

3 hours ago, HTG said:

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened

Jackson Syndrome is the term you're looking for.  Or just c***s. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink 1,689]

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

[John Lambies Doos 3,297]

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

Yes, turning into a NI model. Indy (SNP) Vs Union (Torys). Labour are a fucking irrelevance

[Bob Mahelp 1,656]

5 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

 

Lol. 

The Tories under Thatcher were more popular than they are now, and the only reason they win any seats is because Davidson created an Ulster-lite policy to get Loyalists/Unionists deserting Labour and the LibDems and to vote for her party. 

Tories in Scotland offer nothing positive for the country in the slightest. They gave up the idea of trying to promote policies years ago. 

[thisal 1,155]

18 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Yes, turning into a NI model. Indy (SNP) Vs Union (Torys). Labour are a fucking irrelevance

I can't find anything in that to laugh at.

[Sir Tarmo Kink 1,689]

Lol. 
The Tories under Thatcher were more popular than they are now, and the only reason they win any seats is because Davidson created an Ulster-lite policy to get Loyalists/Unionists deserting Labour and the LibDems and to vote for her party. 
Tories in Scotland offer nothing positive for the country in the slightest. They gave up the idea of trying to promote policies years ago. 

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing. Can’t see Labour returning until they appoint a remotely competent leader.

[Bob Mahelp 1,656]

22 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing. Can’t see Labour returning until they appoint a remotely competent leader.

 

In the sense that the Tory vote in Scotland is all about bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics, then you're correct. 

 

[Sir Tarmo Kink 1,689]

In the sense that the Tory vote in Scotland is all about bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics, then you're correct. 
 

That’s your opinion. And these strong, aggressive and inaccurate opinions by the SNP loyal towards the Tory voters are doing nothing to stop the rise of the Scottish Conservatives.

[Bob Mahelp 1,656]

1 minute ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

That’s your opinion. And these strong, aggressive and inaccurate opinions by the SNP loyal towards the Tory voters are doing nothing to stop the rise of the Scottish Conservatives.

 

It's not an opinion bud, it's fact. 

Not one Tory electioneering leaflet in Scotland mentions a positive policy. Every single one of them concentrates on Indy Ref 2. 

That's the very definition of bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink 1,689]

It's not an opinion bud, it's fact. 
Not one Tory electioneering leaflet in Scotland mentions a positive policy. Every single one of them concentrates on Indy Ref 2. 
That's the very definition of bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics. 

That’s not true at all. My local Tory flyer doesn’t mention indyref2, it mentions Brexit plans and compares it to the openly anti-democratic Sturgeon and Swinson, and Corbyn who doesn’t know what he wants.

Seems on this site if you’re not an SNP voter you’re vile sub-human scum. Entirely the attitude that prevents growth and encourages anti-indy campaigns.

[Henderson to deliver ..... 7,601]

The Tories commitment to the Ulsterisation of Scottish politics has been pretty successful for them. But they've probably hit a ceiling now and their current vote share and seat numbers are probably the most they can ever expect as after all, there's a limited number of bigots and morons.

A perfect storm of a media friendly Davidson giving an appearance of Scots Tories as distant and different from those down south and Brexit uncertainty masking the failures of Westminster are almost over.

I think we'll see some of the centre ground unionists trickle back to Labour and the Lib Dems soon.

[Comrie 676]

The flyers on the Millburn Road in Inverness for the Tories don't even mention the candidate, just "Stop IndyRef2" and the party name.

[MixuFixit 5,266]

It's pretty funny that now Davidson has gone and they're all saying the quiet parts loud there's almost no change in their popularity.

[Sir Tarmo Kink 1,689]

The flyers on the Millburn Road in Inverness for the Tories don't even mention the candidate, just "Stop IndyRef2" and the party name.

I don’t live in Inverness so I cannot comment. Considering the SNP have been using ‘STOP BREXIT’ on flyers and at press conferences and constantly promote indyref2 do you not think it’s a bit hypocritical to slate the Tories for doing the opposite? Seems it’s one rule for the SNP and another for the Tories.

[LongTimeLurker 1,236]

31 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing...

Having Corbyn as leader was mainly in response to what was happening in England and definitely wasn't the way to attract voters who are Unionist in a Scottish context. That isn't helping Labour in this election campaign. Being close to wiped out FPTP firstly at Holyrood and then at Westminster means that they have lost most of their best career politicians and are now fielding candidates who never should have made it beyond local council level, because the next generation of careerists are increasingly attracted to the SNP. Hence how Labour wound up with somebody as inept as Kezia Dugdale as leader at Holyrood, who some paranoid Labour activists genuinely started to speculate was an SNP plant sent to destroy them.

[Kejan 648]

1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:

4 hours ago, HTG said:

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

They always would.

They said the same about May as well. Once the bluster has worn off, they become accustomed and starting voting again.

Like there is 30% hardcore nationalists ; there is 30% hardcore unionists. It's all about the fleg. That's why you see Tory councillors in Shettleston, Fife, and so on. Like the Coke Zero version of NI - we all live together ; get on mostly, but when it comes to voting many of the people have picked their "side."