John Lambies Doos Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 I'd imagine their will be a flurry of polls for the Sunday papers@colkitto 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Opinium has Tories 16pts ahead of Labour. Britain is fucked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Deltapoll has the lead at 15 pts https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693553/Boris-Johnson-surges-ahead-Jeremy-Corbyn-polls.html It also breaks the data down showing the Tories having a lead of 13 pts amongst ABC1 voters, and 17 pts from blue collar workers. It also states that if these figures were consistent across the UK the Tories would win with a majority of 108 seats. Support for the Lib Dems appears to have disappeared, which seems weird as they were the obvious choice, IMO, for those who wanted to remain in the EU. If Scots want to stop the Tories getting into power then it's pretty obvious that dumping the SNP and voting Labour would be the best chance of achieving their aim. Edited November 17, 2019 by Malky3 -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Malky3 said: If Scots want to stop the Tories getting into power then it's pretty obvious that dumping the SNP and voting Labour would be the best chance of achieving their aim. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Not good: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I get the feeling that people connected with Labour are hanging everything on a hope that 2017 will repeat itself. It wont. Labour are about to be obliterated north and south of the border, and their bumbling ineptitude and useless socialist ideology are going to hand us a far-right Tory majority. Given that they're already an irrelevance in Scotland, and that their traditional working class vote in England and Wales is about to turn to the Tories, you wonder if this is the end of the Labour party as we've known it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Last time they benefited from a swing of working class Leave voters from UKIP opting for them rather than the Tories in the aftermath of the referendum. This time after all their fence sitting when it came to Brexit votes at Westminster they need to get hard core Remainers who have swung over to the Lib Dems back on board to have any hope of approaching 41% again, because the hard core Leave vote has coalesced around Boris and seem unlikely to change its mind on that. Labour are a strong Swinson debate performance away from being well and truly up the proverbial creek. Luckily for them that seems unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Not good: I don't think the pollsters have a clue anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Last time they benefited from a swing of working class Leave voters from UKIP opting for them rather than the Tories in the aftermath of the referendum. This time after all their fence sitting when it came to Brexit votes at Westminster they need to get hard core Remainers who have swung over to the Lib Dems back on board to have any hope of approaching 41% again, because the hard core Leave vote has coalesced around Boris and seem unlikely to change its mind on that. Labour are a strong Swinson debate performance away from being well and truly up the proverbial creek. Luckily for them that seems unlikely.Good post - except the bit about Swinson. Not that Lib dems might take labour votes but the bit about the capability of a strong debate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Last time they benefited from a swing of working class Leave voters from UKIP opting for them rather than the Tories in the aftermath of the referendum. This time after all their fence sitting when it came to Brexit votes at Westminster they need to get hard core Remainers who have swung over to the Lib Dems back on board to have any hope of approaching 41% again, because the hard core Leave vote has coalesced around Boris and seem unlikely to change its mind on that. Labour are a strong Swinson debate performance away from being well and truly up the proverbial creek. Luckily for them that seems unlikely. Labour's inability to decide what to do in regards to the biggest political event since the 2nd world war, is about to come back and destroy them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: Labour's inability to decide what to do in regards to the biggest political event since the 2nd world war, is about to come back and destroy them. They've got the soundest and most straightforward policy of any party, negotiate a better deal with a customs union and close alignment with the single market, and offer it next to remain in a confirmatory referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They've got the soundest and most straightforward policy of any party, negotiate a better deal with a customs union and close alignment with the single market, and offer it next to remain in a confirmatory referendum. The shadow cabinet is largely consists largely of Remainers. Are they going to negotiate a great new withdrawal deal with the EU, and then encourage the electorate to reject it in a 2nd referendum? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: The shadow cabinet is largely consists largely of Remainers. Are they going to negotiate a great new withdrawal deal with the EU, and then encourage the electorate to reject it in a 2nd referendum? I'd expect them to allow members to campaign on whatever side they choose, including the Cabinet. They're going to have a special conference to decide it after the deal is done. Edited November 17, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: I don't think the pollsters have a clue anymore. Which one was it that got it almost bang on last time but was too scared to release it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They've got the soundest and most straightforward policy of any party, negotiate a better deal with a customs union and close alignment with the single market, and offer it next to remain in a confirmatory referendum. Maybe in your mind, not in the mind of the vast majority of voters (by the looks of it). One of Labour's problems is that they could get away with this abstract concept when May was fannying around with 'strong and stable' and the rest of her nonsense, but in the face of Johnson's/Cummings' populism it looks like dithering indecisiveness from a party that has been unable to make its mind up what it actually wants. The problem they obviously have is a leader who simply doesn't believe in the EU, yet a parliamentary party.....and apparently a majority of members.....that does. Labour got lost when Brexit became a binary concept. They should be the party of remain, but they're not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'd expect them to allow members to campaign on whatever side they choose, including the Cabinet. They're going to have a special conference to decide it after the deal is done. Corbyn also told Andrew Marr this morning that he didn't accept that Brexit was the biggest issue facing the country at this time. I think that's been pretty obvious for a while now. Also received a flyer from my local MP yesterday Full of the usual old labour stuff about protecting the NHS, tackling inequalities, protecting our environment, etc, etc. On Brexit? Not a fucking mention! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Maybe in your mind, not in the mind of the vast majority of voters (by the looks of it). One of Labour's problems is that they could get away with this abstract concept when May was fannying around with 'strong and stable' and the rest of her nonsense, but in the face of Johnson's/Cummings' populism it looks like dithering indecisiveness from a party that has been unable to make its mind up what it actually wants. The problem they obviously have is a leader who simply doesn't believe in the EU, yet a parliamentary party.....and apparently a majority of members.....that does. Labour got lost when Brexit became a binary concept. They should be the party of remain, but they're not. Compared to the Tories with their really shitty deal probably leading to a crash out, and the Lib Dems wanting to totally ignore the referendum, it's by far the sanest approach. Their biggest problem has been the media trying to patronisingly sell it as far too complicated for the average voter when it's really simple. And the disastrous and pompous Blair, Mandelson and Campbell's "Peoples Vote" campaign which gave a second ref a much worse chance, beginning with the name. WTF was the first referendum supposed to be? Edited November 17, 2019 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I think Labour's current Brexit stance is the best one, and it's not a stick you can use here. As Corbyn himself said, it's not rocket science. It's not hard to figure and it's only idiots who say it is. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: WTF was the first referendum supposed to be? It was a device designed to quell the exodus of right-wing Tory arseholes to UKIP. Edited November 17, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 In essence the seats Tories currently hold will now have bigger Tory majorities. The "swing" everyone is getting flustered about was all BP > Con. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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