John Lambies Doos Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 It won't be, for the simple reason that despite 3-1/2 years of machinations we are all still having practice swings on the first tee. Once the public actually feels the effects of ANY Brexit the independence polls could resemble a 'click' to a taxi meter.No chance. It will be SNP bad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Colkitto said: Independence poll released tomorrow I hear.... 51-49 indy with don't knows discounted. Nap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Colkitto said: If it's not at least 55% only the hardship of a hard Brexit will shift them The hardship of ANY kind of a Brexit should shift them. The only thing that might go against a majority for Yes would be if Brexit was cancelled/revoked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: The hardship of ANY kind of a Brexit should shift them. The spin will be that if you think this is bad, imagine cutting yourself off from your biggest trading partner. Best thing for indy would be a smooth soft Brexit with minimal impact and a frictionless border in Ireland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: The hardship of ANY kind of a Brexit should shift them. The only thing that might go against a majority for Yes would be if Brexit was cancelled/revoked. Quite possibly, but people could say it can happen again because if Brexit was to be cancelled it won't end there in England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: The spin will be that if you think this is bad, imagine cutting yourself off from your biggest trading partner. Best thing for indy would be a smooth soft Brexit with minimal impact and a frictionless border in Ireland. Thats not spin. Thats fact and unlike Brexit its something that can be backed up with figures. You're right though. The SNP should be doing everything in their power to make a withdrawal agreement get through Parliament 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: 47% yes with enough forelock tugging arseholes to make it tight. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Sturgeon was interviewed the other day saying Westminster approval is required for another referendum. Zero chance of the Tories green lighting another one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 What sort of equal union requires permission for one of it's members to hold a referendum? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, jakedee said: What sort of equal union requires permission for one of it's members to hold a referendum? One that takes the other on their promise that these refernda will be once in a generation and not every time the SNP want to cover up their failings in government 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Who promised it was " once in a generation" ? What is a generation?The SNP are a minority Govt. how can they call a referendum?I'm sure the promise thing goes both ways. One that takes the other on their promise that these refernda will be once in a generation and not every time the SNP want to cover up their failings in government 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 One that takes the other on their promise that these refernda will be once in a generation and not every time the SNP want to cover up their failings in government Why does Scotland keep voting for the SNP? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Why does Scotland keep voting for the SNP? It doesn't! The SNPs best ever result was in 2015 when just under 50% of those who voted chose SNP. In 2016 they got 46% pf the Scottish vote. In 2017 they got less than 38% of the Scottish vote. And turnout in the Scottish Elections seldom gets above 50% whilst the General Elections draw 60% to 70% turnout. Given that the Unionist vote is split between three major parties whilst the SNP dominate the nationalist vote I suppose it could be suggested its remarkable the SNP doesn't do even better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Why does Scotland keep voting for the SNP? IMO Salmond and Swinney were very high profile, could articulate policy well and actually did popular policy that appealed to left and right. Maybe with hindsight the council tax freeze wasn't the most sensible thing but under labour the annual increases were ridiculous. No Tuition fees Hospital car parking abolished where possible Generally bringing in project early and under budget No outrageous PFICouncil tax freezeNo hiking of income tax until recently So a combination of sensible policy and labour failure made it a straightforward choice. However, with any government eventually they start to lose popularity so a lot of Conservative voters who voted SNP to get labour out are now going back to the Conservatives. I expect in Holyrood that the list system will make the next election interesting. Labour seem to be done, Lib Dems wont change much and I cant see many Conservatives voting green so quite possibly SNP might lose seats in Scotland to the Conservatives but could increase their numbers at Westminster from the Conservatives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) The Times are reporting that their latest poll has Yes at 50%. Also, support for an independent Scotland over a No Deal Brexit is at 54%. Edited October 13, 2019 by Highland Capital 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Story's here.: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/union-on-the-brink-with-independence-support-at-50-znn7nctgf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Highland Capital said: The Times are reporting that their latest poll has Yes at 50%. Also, support for an independent Scotland over a No Deal Brexit is at 54%. So what it is saying is that half of Scotland would still suck England's cock rather than become independent. Fucking hell and you wonder why the suicide rate is high in Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Basically.. Those of us in favour of independence - 50% If Brexit happens the Yes vote goes to - 54% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, pawpar said: So what it is saying is that half of Scotland would still suck England's cock rather than become independent. Fucking hell and you wonder why the suicide rate is high in Scotland. 1 hour ago, Colkitto said: Basically.. Those of us in favour of independence - 50% If Brexit happens the Yes vote goes to - 54% Those are actually hugely encouraging numbers given that: a) No date has been announced, and b) We're nowhere near the start of campaigning-proper. Give it a few more months of Boris-led incompetency over Brexit, the vehement anti-Scottish sentiment in the papers down south, movement closer to a No Deal Brexit and we should see the numbers slowly rise. An effective campaign, once a date is announced is absolutely crucial. Any sort of hint of the lacklustre, chicken-hearted campaign of 2017 and it's fucked. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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