welshbairn Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: I might be wrong (I could check but haven't) but is the German referendum completely outright? I'm sure Berlin had a referendum on a new airport a few years back. Haven't checked either but given that airport killed off any idea of German efficiency still being a thing, I doubt they'll be repeating the experiment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, DAFC. said: OYF If Celtic beat Rangers on Saturday, it's going to be the worst week ever for the Unionist bigots. Post Referendum polling showed slightly more Sevco fans voted YES than NO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Detournement said: How does 44% unionist vote on a 80% referendum turnout correlate with 35% unionist votes in May on a likely 55% turnout? Given the age splits and the likelihood of turnout by age that makes no sense to me. Because a few SNP voters in an election may vote "No" in a referendum and a far greater number of Con/Lab/Lib voters will vote "Yes" in a referendum. You're comparing apples & oranges again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Post Referendum polling showed slightly more Sevco fans voted YES than NO. I seriously doubt that is the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, DAFC. said: I seriously doubt that is the case. So you believe some polls but not others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, mizfit said: Independence = Hitler. I see he has deleted it. Paul Sweeney is genuinely one of the worst labour politicians of all time, i say that being absolutely aware of the qualify of labour politicians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, DAFC. said: I seriously doubt that is the case. Actually if you count the ones living in Scotland and not those who get the ferry over etc then its not beyond belief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: Not her, but they're pure raging.. The rumour goes that Agent P is a well known (I use that term very loosely) journo here in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Londonwell said: The rumour goes that Agent P is a well known (I use that term very loosely) journo here in Scotland. Who is it rumoured to be? Feel free to use “allegedly” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Because a few SNP voters in an election may vote "No" in a referendum and a far greater number of Con/Lab/Lib voters will vote "Yes" in a referendum. You're comparing apples & oranges again. Are there really Tory Yes voters? Has anyone met one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: Are there really Tory Yes voters? Has anyone met one? Once actually back in 2015. Was on the local campaign team for the SNP on election night and everything but was as Tory as they come. I asked why he supported independence and it was his opinion that the best route for a right wing led country was through Indy. I couldn't quite join the dots then and still can't but there you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Once actually back in 2015. Was on the local campaign team for the SNP on election night and everything but was as Tory as they come. I asked why he supported independence and it was his opinion that the best route for a right wing led country was through Indy. I couldn't quite join the dots then and still can't but there you go. I'd guess the subtext of that is Scotland is whiter than the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Caught the poll being reported on Tory shill Ian Dale’s LBC show. Immediately following his horror-struck report, he had on the North British Tory Vice nobody and demanded to know how he and the Tories could have let the Scotch get so uppity. The Torybot stuttered his way through an answer, claiming “it’s p-p-precisely because I’m a democrat that I don’t ever want to see a referendum!” Interestingly, he said that “when we get into the debate” the polls would change because currency. Not “if”, when. Hopefully London issues a baw-booting for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Once actually back in 2015. Was on the local campaign team for the SNP on election night and everything but was as Tory as they come. I asked why he supported independence and it was his opinion that the best route for a right wing led country was through Indy. I couldn't quite join the dots then and still can't but there you go. Scottish independence will lead both rUK and Scotland to become more right wing. If that sounds like an argument against independence to you, then I think you might be in for a shock pretty quickly after independence. I expect independence will allow the centre right in Scotland to get rid of the Tory name (helped by some ex SNP politicians). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, sparky88 said: Scottish independence will lead both rUK and Scotland to become more right wing. If that sounds like an argument against independence to you, then I think you might be in for a shock pretty quickly after independence. I expect independence will allow the centre right in Scotland to get rid of the Tory name (helped by some ex SNP politicians). Hey, not seen you in 5 years! How’s things? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Scottish independence will lead both rUK and Scotland to become more right wing. If that sounds like an argument against independence to you, then I think you might be in for a shock pretty quickly after independence. I expect independence will allow the centre right in Scotland to get rid of the Tory name (helped by some ex SNP politicians). Serious answer: Post indy of course a realignment of Scot Pol will happen but I don’t think the constitutional debate goes away the day after a yes vote. Indy is Slabs only chance of relevance as much as it is Scot Tories though. So not sure I share your certainty on the point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Scottish independence will lead both rUK and Scotland to become more right wing. If that sounds like an argument against independence to you, then I think you might be in for a shock pretty quickly after independence. I expect independence will allow the centre right in Scotland to get rid of the Tory name (helped by some ex SNP politicians). It will go to the normal European thing of broad coalitions imo. I agree that Tories will make a comeback, under another name probably as you say, and will be a significant player. Edited October 14, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It will go to the normal European thing of broad coalitions imo. I agree that Tories will make a comeback, under another name probably as you say, and will be a significant player. But they won't be the same as the Westminster Tories then, because otherwise they will remain an irrelevance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: It's usually around 5% isn't it? I'd attribute at least 4% of that to doddery old ones saying yes to the wrong thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 The poll showed Douglas Ross is not particularly popular, I think that’s grossly unfair. Personally I’m delighted with the job he’s doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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