Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

[John Lambies Doos]

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

[HTG]

14 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

3 hours ago, HTG said:

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened

Jackson Syndrome is the term you're looking for.  Or just c***s. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

[John Lambies Doos]

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

Yes, turning into a NI model. Indy (SNP) Vs Union (Torys). Labour are a fucking irrelevance [emoji23]

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

5 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

The Tories are not only rapidly gaining seats in Scotland compared to a decade ago but they also rapidly becoming the ‘second party’ in a lot of SNP constituencies. Their rise in vote percentage in a number of them being remarkable over the last couple of elections.

 

Lol. 

The Tories under Thatcher were more popular than they are now, and the only reason they win any seats is because Davidson created an Ulster-lite policy to get Loyalists/Unionists deserting Labour and the LibDems and to vote for her party. 

Tories in Scotland offer nothing positive for the country in the slightest. They gave up the idea of trying to promote policies years ago. 

[thisal]

18 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Yes, turning into a NI model. Indy (SNP) Vs Union (Torys). Labour are a fucking irrelevance

I can't find anything in that to laugh at.

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

Lol. 
The Tories under Thatcher were more popular than they are now, and the only reason they win any seats is because Davidson created an Ulster-lite policy to get Loyalists/Unionists deserting Labour and the LibDems and to vote for her party. 
Tories in Scotland offer nothing positive for the country in the slightest. They gave up the idea of trying to promote policies years ago. 

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing. Can’t see Labour returning until they appoint a remotely competent leader.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

22 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing. Can’t see Labour returning until they appoint a remotely competent leader.

 

In the sense that the Tory vote in Scotland is all about bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics, then you're correct. 

 

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

In the sense that the Tory vote in Scotland is all about bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics, then you're correct. 
 

That’s your opinion. And these strong, aggressive and inaccurate opinions by the SNP loyal towards the Tory voters are doing nothing to stop the rise of the Scottish Conservatives.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 minute ago, Tarmo Kink said:

 

That’s your opinion. And these strong, aggressive and inaccurate opinions by the SNP loyal towards the Tory voters are doing nothing to stop the rise of the Scottish Conservatives.

 

It's not an opinion bud, it's fact. 

Not one Tory electioneering leaflet in Scotland mentions a positive policy. Every single one of them concentrates on Indy Ref 2. 

That's the very definition of bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics. 

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

It's not an opinion bud, it's fact. 
Not one Tory electioneering leaflet in Scotland mentions a positive policy. Every single one of them concentrates on Indy Ref 2. 
That's the very definition of bitter, negative, hate-filled, identity politics. 

That’s not true at all. My local Tory flyer doesn’t mention indyref2, it mentions Brexit plans and compares it to the openly anti-democratic Sturgeon and Swinson, and Corbyn who doesn’t know what he wants.

Seems on this site if you’re not an SNP voter you’re vile sub-human scum. Entirely the attitude that prevents growth and encourages anti-indy campaigns.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

The Tories commitment to the Ulsterisation of Scottish politics has been pretty successful for them. But they've probably hit a ceiling now and their current vote share and seat numbers are probably the most they can ever expect as after all, there's a limited number of bigots and morons.

A perfect storm of a media friendly Davidson giving an appearance of Scots Tories as distant and different from those down south and Brexit uncertainty masking the failures of Westminster are almost over.

I think we'll see some of the centre ground unionists trickle back to Labour and the Lib Dems soon.

[Comrie]

The flyers on the Millburn Road in Inverness for the Tories don't even mention the candidate, just "Stop IndyRef2" and the party name.

[Sir Tarmo Kink]

The flyers on the Millburn Road in Inverness for the Tories don't even mention the candidate, just "Stop IndyRef2" and the party name.

I don’t live in Inverness so I cannot comment. Considering the SNP have been using ‘STOP BREXIT’ on flyers and at press conferences and constantly promote indyref2 do you not think it’s a bit hypocritical to slate the Tories for doing the opposite? Seems it’s one rule for the SNP and another for the Tories.

[LongTimeLurker]

31 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said:

Can say what you want about what their tactic was but they’ve rapidly gained support in Scotland and Labour are disappearing...

Having Corbyn as leader was mainly in response to what was happening in England and definitely wasn't the way to attract voters who are Unionist in a Scottish context. That isn't helping Labour in this election campaign. Being close to wiped out FPTP firstly at Holyrood and then at Westminster means that they have lost most of their best career politicians and are now fielding candidates who never should have made it beyond local council level, because the next generation of careerists are increasingly attracted to the SNP. Hence how Labour wound up with somebody as inept as Kezia Dugdale as leader at Holyrood, who some paranoid Labour activists genuinely started to speculate was an SNP plant sent to destroy them.

[Kejan]

1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:

4 hours ago, HTG said:

The hardening behind the tories can't be unexpected. Scotland has its share of arseholes. A smaller share of arseholes than places like Grimsby but a share nonetheless. They're running their own wee Indyref and the red in the flag is way more important to them than they are to the red. 

Agree but many Torys in Scotland claimed they couldn't support the party if Johnson was leader or if Brexit happened, yet their returning like the sleekit rats they are.

They always would.

They said the same about May as well. Once the bluster has worn off, they become accustomed and starting voting again.

Like there is 30% hardcore nationalists ; there is 30% hardcore unionists. It's all about the fleg. That's why you see Tory councillors in Shettleston, Fife, and so on. Like the Coke Zero version of NI - we all live together ; get on mostly, but when it comes to voting many of the people have picked their "side."

 

[welshbairn]

20 minutes ago, Comrie said:

The flyers on the Millburn Road in Inverness for the Tories don't even mention the candidate, just "Stop IndyRef2" and the party name.

The only Tory flyer to be delivered, a full A4 effort, has zero policies, not even a mention of Brexit.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I don’t live in Inverness so I cannot comment. Considering the SNP have been using ‘STOP BREXIT’ on flyers and at press conferences and constantly promote indyref2 do you not think it’s a bit hypocritical to slate the Tories for doing the opposite? Seems it’s one rule for the SNP and another for the Tories.

It's one rule and it's quite simple; the SNP acts in the interests of Scotland whilst the Westminster-controlled parties do not.

[John Lambies Doos]

They always would.
They said the same about May as well. Once the bluster has worn off, they become accustomed and starting voting again.
Like there is 30% hardcore nationalists ; there is 30% hardcore unionists. It's all about the fleg. That's why you see Tory councillors in Shettleston, Fife, and so on. Like the Coke Zero version of NI - we all live together ; get on mostly, but when it comes to voting many of the people have picked their "side."
 

It could be argued that we are up to 40% hard core nationalists.
Tick tock

[Comrie]

31 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The only Tory flyer to be delivered, a full A4 effort, has zero policies, not even a mention of Brexit.

Only one I have had so far is a Brexit Party one, which barely mentions the candidate.

My flatmate has had Tory, SNP and Lib Dem leaflets.