Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 This is totalitarian groupthink. A vote for any democratic party in an election that is held relatively free and fair is a "vote for democracy". I am assuming you are on the wind up now. Boris is the only leader willing to deliver Brexit (outside of the Brexit Party). Brexit was voted for democratically. A vote for the Tories is a vote for democracy. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Hmm changed my mind, you sounded considerate the other day but you've fished with the same post twice now.Yes, I was surprised when you said that he wasn’t a bam. Only a bam would think Boris Johnson would make an “excellent” prime minister, never mind on the grounds of being able to “deliver democracy.” Cretinous stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50679252 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The morning of the 13th on this thread will be a glorious read. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Read the thread. Its thought provoking. Edited December 5, 2019 by dorlomin -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said: Boris is the only leader willing to deliver Brexit (outside of the Brexit Party). Brexit was voted for democratically. A vote for the Tories is a vote for democracy. Boris is the only leader who is running scared from scrutiny. An absolute coward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Read the thread. Its thought provoking. I'm fascinated by the bullish attitudes towards the Tories in Scotland - where are these three gains for example ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Read the thread. Its thought provoking. It’s a very good thread. Particularly the point on Corbyn and Labour promising things (most are fantasy anyway) like free broadband for all, free Wi-Fi, free train travel, 4-day week and free everything sound great, but are costly to deliver and aren’t really necessary. Labour seem to be building their policy entirely based on convincing students/young people to vote for them through clickbait and soundbites, which is definitely working. Another good point is that the Brexit Party are polling quite well compared to UKIP previously and while all the talk is of Labour picking up some LibDem votes, I think the Tories squeezing the Brexit Party out is far more significant in terms of securing a majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Tarmo Kink said: It’s a very good thread. Particularly the point on Corbyn and Labour promising things Having read your contributions I do not give a shit what your "thoughts" are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Having read your contributions I do not give a shit what your "thoughts" are. You’re already a seething mess then. Can’t wait to see you on this thread on the 13th [emoji6]. And given your previous P&B history of bigotry, racism, islamophobia and openly backing racist church shooter Dylann Roof I think I might pass on your thoughts too, bud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 "Boris Johnson gets my vote". For Johnson specifically to be the reason for someone's vote they must be an utter scumbag. Congrats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Way off topic, but my interesting fact for the day is that Ignacio there is played by the actor who is Saul in Homeland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Quite major shifts right enough. The hospital issues in particular have been dreadful but trains, schools, environment not been brilliant recently either.Correct. The performance of our public services has been getting poorer. The SNP have struggled with the health brief for a wee while now while education is in the doldrums (not a slight on teachers, but the running of schools has not been great at all). They need to start thinking outside the box in terms of improvements because what they are doing is not working well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Correct. The performance of our public services has been getting poorer. The SNP have struggled with the health brief for a wee while now while education is in the doldrums (not a slight on teachers, but the running of schools has not been great at all). They need to start thinking outside the box in terms of improvements because what they are doing is not working well.Money (or lack of it) is a real issue in education. That's ultimately down to Tory austerity policies not the SNP. The actual direction of education policy wouldn't be that different under Labour or the Lib Dems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 With Labour now announcing a 20,000 more teachers/cap class sizes at 30, (which wasn't in the manifesto) in addition to making 'most' people around £6,500 better off, it looks like a bit of a last throw of the dice. Had they been more consistent on Brexit they could have been in a better position to hoover up the Remain vote in England, given that the Lib campaign has tanked. With a week to go they should be hammering the message that getting Brexit done, means years more negotiations, this being only the start of it, the very real spectre of a No Deal at the end of next year, and also the fact that Johnson's deal will make the average person at least £2,500 per year worse off over the next decade, with investment fleeing the UK. Unfortunately they continue to run scared of Leave voters in Northern constituencies which ultimately will cost them this election. Difficult to see the polls narrowing much more now from a 7-8% lead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 We had this b4 the 2015 election.... Going ah shite, labour are pulling back....then the polls came out and SNP were cigaring it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Money (or lack of it) is a real issue in education. That's ultimately down to Tory austerity policies not the SNP. The actual direction of education policy wouldn't be that different under Labour or the Lib Dems.That is true however they do need to be seen to be doing more to improve standards. Albeit I do think the whole individual attainment emphasis needs to change but that will take a generation and probably independence to implement a more progressive style of schooling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Way off topic, but my interesting fact for the day is that Ignacio there is played by the actor who is Saul in Homeland. Best post of the thread. Had not seen that at all until you said it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Money (or lack of it) is a real issue in education. That's ultimately down to Tory austerity policies not the SNP. The actual direction of education policy wouldn't be that different under Labour or the Lib Dems.Very true, and I'm sure none of our resident right-wing hyenas will choose to make the correlation between growing levels of child poverty and hunger and educational attainment. It may be difficult to concentrate fully when you are malnourished, but what the Hell, let's not allow facts and reported evidence to get in the way of savaging political hate figures.There are many complex issues at play here, none of which will be solved by simplistic dogma. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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