Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dee Man said: I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival. Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Sounds like a job for John "Jobby" Brown. Rab Douglas would be preferable but I wouldn't rule anything out right now. We need to avoid the play-offs and right now the only way we'll be doing that is if Inverness muster enough points to leapfrog us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival. Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YER SISTERS YER MAW Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else. He has previous for quitting when results aren't going his way, so I wouldn't rule it out completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Just now, YER SISTERS YER MAW said: He has previous for quitting when results aren't going his way, so I wouldn't rule it out completely. Nice one, I forgot about his temper tantrum at Alloa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before. Hartley is a good manager, but he's fucked this season up something royal. He's stemmed bad runs before but this time just feels different. You can see the decisions and formations are getting more desperate. His 5-2-3 formation today reminded me of the day Barry Smith started with 4 strikers against Kilmarnock and it was that day it was evident he was out of ideas. Hartley has admitted he's out of ideas in his post match interviews today. If we'd had any sort of form behind us to steer us safe then I'd imagine Hartley could outthink a few of the managers we'll be coming up against, but the damage is done, the confidence is gone and the only thing that can give us a boost right now is freshness. It might not work, but no amount of managerial nous right now is either. The place needs lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossDee01 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 The Yanks wouldn't have a clue who to replace him with. We'd end up with fucking Tim Tebow or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dd23 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before. You'll never fluke a win if you can't score a goal.Sutton called it bang on when he said we're dead easy to play against.Today he had 2 centre halves on the bench while playing 3 at the back.One of those 3 was the usual left back, which meant the right back switched to left back nullifying all attacking threat from both.For good measure he had Hateley our dead ball specialist ([emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]) at right back, giving away a oenalty for the opening goal.We have a non existent midfield of midget bottlers, including whiner of the century McGowan, who reminds me more and more of an aged relative's bad tempered budgie, and an ineffectual forward line who can't hold onto the ball when it is punted in their direction, which is the only service they get.He has built this ludicrously unbalanced and confidence free squad and spent apparently a fortune in the process.It's typical Dundee that we are allowing him to make an even bigger arse of it than United did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Pointless punting him now. He's having a bad season, but his performance since taking the job should buy him a bit more time. If Dundee go down then there's an argument to be made for moving heaven and hell to bring in Jim Duffy, but sacking him now would be pointless. A new manager is stuck with the same poor squad. Look at the Championship - Hughes didnt get the new manager bounce at Raith and Jack Ross only started getting results after having the chance to bring in players in the January transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 the problem isn't who to manage but the fact this team looks like it's done. Our starting XI is average at best, poor at times and incapable for a few at this level. We have no real second XI, full of players that are possibly never-was at this level. The idea that all we have to do for the short term future is John Brown?! we are fucked. If I might quote Sir Richard Motram ('GCB') at the time of political crisis in the Government about 2003: "we are fucked. I'm fucked, your fucked the whole department is fucked....we are all completely fucked" Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podlie Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Mon Hartley, mon The Dee, time for the roller coaster to head up hill again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, Podlie said: Mon Hartley, mon The Dee, time for the roller coaster to head up hill again No Faith here Jovi. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 49 minutes ago, RossDee01 said: The Yanks wouldn't have a clue who to replace him with. We'd end up with fucking Tim Tebow or something Tebow could pray you out of the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Algebraist Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Dee Man said: I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival. There has actually but I can't find a link atm. Found a new manager can make a short term difference but clubs that stuck faired no worse over a ten year period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: Hartley is a good manager...... Do you really think so? How's he going to sell himself to any new club? Give me a top 6 budget and I will scrape the team into a top six finish first season as long as I can 'discover' a Stewart and Hemmings again (I've never done anything like it since by the way). I'll give you bottom 6 the next and struggle to avoid relegation the year after that. In other words the more the team becomes the team I have bought the worse the team will become. If that doesn't sell it to a new club he could always add in the fact that he will fill the bench and stand with players on long contracts that he now realises are nowhere near good enough or he can't get them to play for him. Therefore leaving the board with work to do to get them out on loans to try and take a bit off the monthly wage bill. The only real selling point he has is that the board of any new club will avoid the cost of numerous coach hires for away days in the cups. Hartley pretty much comes with an early exit guarantee from the cups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Do you really think so? How's he going to sell himself to any new club? Give me a top 6 budget and I will scrape the team into a top six finish first season as long as I can 'discover' a Stewart and Hemmings again (I've never done anything like it since by the way). I'll give you bottom 6 the next and struggle to avoid relegation the year after that. In other words the more the team becomes the team I have bought the worse the team will become. If that doesn't sell it to a new club he could always add in the fact that he will fill the bench and stand with players on long contracts that he now realises are nowhere near good enough or he can't get them to play for him. Therefore leaving the board with work to do to get them out on loans to try and take a bit off the monthly wage bill. The only real selling point he has is that the board of any new club will avoid the cost of numerous coach hires for away days in the cups. Hartley pretty much comes with an early exit guarantee from the cups! He thinks Barry Smith is a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else. What difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Steve Lomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Gary Holt ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Dundee will not be relegated, but SPH will 'leave' at the end of the season. Yogi Hughes to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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