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12 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival.

Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else.

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Sounds like a job for John "Jobby" Brown.


Rab Douglas would be preferable but I wouldn't rule anything out right now.

We need to avoid the play-offs and right now the only way we'll be doing that is if Inverness muster enough points to leapfrog us.
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I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival.


Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before.
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5 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else.

He has previous for quitting when results aren't going his way, so I wouldn't rule it out completely.

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Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before.


Hartley is a good manager, but he's fucked this season up something royal. He's stemmed bad runs before but this time just feels different. You can see the decisions and formations are getting more desperate.

His 5-2-3 formation today reminded me of the day Barry Smith started with 4 strikers against Kilmarnock and it was that day it was evident he was out of ideas. Hartley has admitted he's out of ideas in his post match interviews today.

If we'd had any sort of form behind us to steer us safe then I'd imagine Hartley could outthink a few of the managers we'll be coming up against, but the damage is done, the confidence is gone and the only thing that can give us a boost right now is freshness. It might not work, but no amount of managerial nous right now is either. The place needs lifted.
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Hartley seems to have some form of tactical ability though, even though he's fucked up there's surely more chance of him fluking a win then some utter Richie Foran-esque no mark who's never managed a senior game before.

You'll never fluke a win if you can't score a goal.
Sutton called it bang on when he said we're dead easy to play against.
Today he had 2 centre halves on the bench while playing 3 at the back.
One of those 3 was the usual left back, which meant the right back switched to left back nullifying all attacking threat from both.
For good measure he had Hateley our dead ball specialist ([emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]) at right back, giving away a oenalty for the opening goal.
We have a non existent midfield of midget bottlers, including whiner of the century McGowan, who reminds me more and more of an aged relative's bad tempered budgie, and an ineffectual forward line who can't hold onto the ball when it is punted in their direction, which is the only service they get.
He has built this ludicrously unbalanced and confidence free squad and spent apparently a fortune in the process.
It's typical Dundee that we are allowing him to make an even bigger arse of it than United did last season.
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Pointless punting him now. He's having a bad season, but his performance since taking the job should buy him a bit more time.

If Dundee go down then there's an argument to be made for moving heaven and hell to bring in Jim Duffy, but sacking him now would be pointless. A new manager is stuck with the same poor squad. Look at the Championship - Hughes didnt get the new manager bounce at Raith and Jack Ross only started getting results after having the chance to bring in players in the January transfer window.

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the problem isn't who to manage but the fact this team looks like it's done.

 

Our starting XI is average at best, poor at times and incapable for a few at this level. We have no real second XI, full of players that are possibly never-was at this level.

 

The idea that all we have to do for the short term future is John Brown?! we are fucked.

 

If I might quote Sir Richard Motram ('GCB') at the time of political crisis in the Government about 2003:

 

"we are fucked. I'm fucked, your fucked the whole department is fucked....we are all completely fucked"

 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, RossDee01 said:

The Yanks wouldn't have a clue who to replace him with. We'd end up with fucking Tim Tebow or something

Tebow could pray you out of the playoffs

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1 hour ago, Dee Man said:

I doubt there's ever been a study done on the exact figures so none of us can say for sure either way. What is certain though us that a new manager could literally not do any worse. A new face in to give them a kick up the arse and hopefully a few new ideas might see us scrape a couple of points for survival.

There has actually but I can't find a link atm. Found a new manager can make a short term difference but clubs that stuck faired no worse over a ten year period.

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1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said:

 


Hartley is a good manager......

 

Do you really think so?

How's he going to sell himself to any new club?  Give me a top 6 budget and I will scrape the team into a top six finish first season as long as I can 'discover' a Stewart and Hemmings again (I've never done anything like it since by the way). I'll give you bottom 6 the next and struggle to avoid relegation the year after that.  In other words the more the team becomes the team I have bought the worse the team will become.  

If that doesn't sell it to a new club he could always add in the fact that he will fill the bench and stand with players on long contracts that he now realises are nowhere near good enough or he can't get them to play for him.  Therefore leaving the board with work to do to get them out on loans to try and take a bit off the monthly wage bill.

The only real selling point he has is that the board of any new club will avoid the cost of numerous coach hires for away days in the cups.  Hartley pretty much comes with an early exit guarantee from the cups!

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Do you really think so?
How's he going to sell himself to any new club?  Give me a top 6 budget and I will scrape the team into a top six finish first season as long as I can 'discover' a Stewart and Hemmings again (I've never done anything like it since by the way). I'll give you bottom 6 the next and struggle to avoid relegation the year after that.  In other words the more the team becomes the team I have bought the worse the team will become.  
If that doesn't sell it to a new club he could always add in the fact that he will fill the bench and stand with players on long contracts that he now realises are nowhere near good enough or he can't get them to play for him.  Therefore leaving the board with work to do to get them out on loans to try and take a bit off the monthly wage bill.
The only real selling point he has is that the board of any new club will avoid the cost of numerous coach hires for away days in the cups.  Hartley pretty much comes with an early exit guarantee from the cups!


He thinks Barry Smith is a good manager.
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1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Spot on. Its the only chance we've got, if he's not fired tonight (and he wont walk because he's an arrogant little p***k) then we are fucked. I would give it to Mcpake for the last few games, he's a leader, if nothing else.

What difference does it make?

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