St Mirren v Dumbarton 8th April 2017

[The Moonster]

1 minute ago, djchapsticks said:

Getting it for hee-haw or not doesn't matter, phone the club on Monday and ask to speak to Campbell Kennedy and ask why this has happened. I have been to hospitality several times and have never heard of the away fans being moved to the away stand for any reason. Indeed the away fans in hospitality generally get a wee bit of good natured ribbing from Campbell during his speaking duties. 

This is unacceptable on the part of the club to shift you into another stand when you're a guest of the club and you're due an explanation on why this has happened, especially if you've caused no problems. 

Campbell spoke to us during the meal and we did get a wee bit of stick during the speech. Everything was good natured and everyone was laughing things off, we went out for a smoke at half time and when we came back up the stairs we got told we were being moved to the away stand due to a complaint. To find out at full time that no complaint was made had me scratching my head.

[cameron2000]

Talking of linesmen making decisions, how about the foul by the Dumbarton player in the corner, a yard under the linesman's nose who gave a free kick to St. Mirren only for the ham fisted arsehole of a ref to come barrelling in from about 25 yards away to overturn him and give Dumbarton the free kick?

Is that why the linesman signalled with his flag to award the free kick to us?[emoji23]

[The Moonster]

2 minutes ago, glenburn bud said:

I'm highlighting how poor the referee was for both teams, the first booking for Eckersley was harsh from my viewing but it's all about opinions.

Why would the ref "shite it" from sending off a Dumbarton player? Do we have some sort of voodoo master on the sidelines threatening refs with a lifetime of hell? 

Stanton plays a pass and needs to jump over Eckersley to avoid being hit, it was late and nowhere near the ball.

[cedrick1]

From highlights I can still see why penalty given , stone Waller I'm not so sure. 

One person who doesn't complain about either of the eckersly bookings - eckersly.

highlights confirm particularly in first half number of fouls we got from half way line area forward . Doesn't show these fouls but take my word mallen or McGinn committed them when we were on break 

pen claim on Vaughan - nah 

[glenburn bud]

2 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Why would the ref "shite it" from sending off a Dumbarton player? Do we have some sort of voodoo master on the sidelines threatening refs with a lifetime of hell? 

Stanton plays a pass and needs to jump over Eckersley to avoid being hit, it was late and nowhere near the ball.

Well you explain why Harvie didn't receive a second yellow for taking a player out after the ball was long gone. There was contact and it was a yellow card he should have walked but the ref decided to do nothing.

[GAD]

25 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Are folk seriously questioning either of Eckersley's bookings? He's about 3 days late on the first one and not much better on the second. 

There's a guy who's written an essay on why the referee shouldn't have booked the Dumbarton player who dug up the penalty spot. Football fans talk shite. 

[buddie06smfc]

 Disgusting behaviour. I'd rather have my leg broken and be spat at than see a player rake his studs over the penalty spot.
That's all well and good, and I'd accept it if the linesman had informed the referee. He didn't however, so the referee gave a decision based on the word of an opponent. Surely you can see that, that is embarrassingly weak refereeing?
You're coming across as quite precious with your response. It's not different than any other form of mind games (swinging on the crossbar, making wee comments prior to it, holding the ball, or my personal favourite of claiming I had dirt in my glove and taking it off, then taking forever to put it on again) and made no difference to the outcome as you admit. I really don't see it as a big deal that a player tried to put off another player from scoring a potentially crucial goal.

It was only last night that you "couldn't care less to be brutally honest". Yet I'm the one being precious. Quite.

Having your leg broken or being spat at isn't cheating. You have no idea if the referee gave it on Loy's say so or not and neither do I. Either way it was a yellow card. Much in the same way as diving is seeking to gain an advantage, digging up the pitch to affect the trajectory of the ball is too. Yellow card for cheating.

Mind games are fine. That wasn't mind games. I don't really see what is up for discussion here, your team were guilty of poor sportsmanship. We missed the penalty.

[The Moonster]

Just now, glenburn bud said:

Well you explain why Harvie didn't receive a second yellow for taking a player out after the ball was long gone. There was contact and it was a yellow card he should have walked but the ref decided to do nothing.

I'm going to guess at "the referee didn't think it was a yellow card" over him being too scared to send off a Dumbarton player.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

That was a penalty all day long. The Dumbarton fans denying that are kidding themselves.

It certainly looked like the Dumbarton played tampered with the penalty spot before it was taken, but the ref didn't even see it and booked him anyway. 

Who was the ref? He was fucking dreadful.

[donald]

Why would the ref "shite it" from sending off a Dumbarton player? Do we have some sort of voodoo master on the sidelines threatening refs with a lifetime of hell?

[sonsanorak]

The penalty itself was probably more won by McGinn than conceded by Barr. In saying that that's 4 he's now conceded this year, so I suspect opposition teams will now go down easily around him because he is quite physical.

Still banging the Tom Lang drum then?

Just checking that two of the four pens are the Nesbitt one away to Morton and the recent Hibs one? You know, the one where Barr falls over whilst Buckys got two arms around Holt? The one where the ref doesnt have a clear view of anything, and does nothing until Holt works free of Bucky and drops to the ground?

You're assuming who the offender is for the Hibs one and blaming Barr for Nesbitts.

[djchapsticks]

24 minutes ago, cameron2000 said:

Is that why the linesman signalled with his flag to award the free kick to us?

No he didn't. He clearly signalled for our free kick. If he's signalled for a Dumbarton free kick it's been after the referee overturned his initial call to give it to us. 

[GAD]

4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

No he didn't. He clearly signalled for our free kick. If he's signalled for a Dumbarton free kick it's been after the referee overturned his initial call to give it to us. 

Yeah, it was pretty horrendous from the ref. I have no idea what he thought he saw that meant he could overrule the linesman, but in a game where the ref managed to get so much wrong, that one was a bit special. 

[squeezeboxson]

After the whole penalty spot digging situation it is believed that Daniel 'holes', Harvie left this behind in the dressing room at the Paisley 2021 stadium at FT yesterday. He made comments about how he hated Rory Loy for getting him booked and wished St Mirren well for the rest of the season.

"They might need it more than me in the near future..."

[Jan Vojáček]

21 minutes ago, sonsanorak said:

Still banging the Tom Lang drum then?

Just checking that two of the four pens are the Nesbitt one away to Morton and the recent Hibs one? You know, the one where Barr falls over whilst Buckys got two arms around Holt? The one where the ref doesnt have a clear view of anything, and does nothing until Holt works free of Bucky and drops to the ground?

You're assuming who the offender is for the Hibs one and blaming Barr for Nesbitts.

 

If you read what I said I didn't blame Barr at all, I said that McGinn won it rather than him conceding it. That was absolving him of any blame.

The penalty at Easter Road was given against Barr as I understand it, it was the wrong decision, but there you go. The one at Cappielow was a horrendous decision, and the one against Ayr was soft, but the correct decision. Like yesterday. Conceding 4 penalties, rightly or wrongly awarded, in 13 games is unusually high, especially for an experienced player - surely you can see that, and so there must be a reason behind that.

For me it's a lack of subtlety. He is a physical player - what centre-half isn't - however he isn't great at hiding the contact he makes, hence the unusually high foul count. I suspect opposition players realise this and then play for the fouls when they are around him. Yesterday McGinn was going nowhere, but knew that there would be contact and therefore got his body shape right to win the foul. Gary MacKenzie is a similar sort of player, but he made sure that any contact he made was more subtle, or blindsided to the referee. 

You know I rate Lang highly, and I doubt I'm the only one on here. I would've stuck with Barr and him after the Raith game where, albeit against a team notoriously poor away from home, they worked perfectly together. Barr looked like a more comfortable leader, and Lang's pace and confidence helped add some more cover.

36 minutes ago, buddie06smfc said:

It was only last night that you "couldn't care less to be brutally honest". Yet I'm the one being precious. Quite.

Having your leg broken or being spat at isn't cheating. You have no idea if the referee gave it on Loy's say so or not and neither do I. Either way it was a yellow card. Much in the same way as diving is seeking to gain an advantage, digging up the pitch to affect the trajectory of the ball is too. Yellow card for cheating.

Mind games are fine. That wasn't mind games. I don't really see what is up for discussion here, your team were guilty of poor sportsmanship. We missed the penalty.

 

Technically any breach of the rules (be that an offside, foul, foul throw, spitting etc) is a breach of the rules and therefore cheating. The referee had not seen the Harvie incident and his linesman either missed it too, or was too scared to pipe up. It was right in front of us and, as you can see from the highlights, the referee only goes to book Harvie once Loy points out what happened.

Like I said way back at the start, I don't care about it, and I don't care about the booking, it was correct. What bothered me was the referee giving a decision based on the word of an opponent. Now, whether or not he had seen it and wasn't sure which player it was, or just totally missed it is beside the point. It's weak refereeing.

It's hardly a surprise though, the referee yesterday was well out of his depth.

Spoiler

Rory Loy is a Grass

 

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

Great day out.

The ticket was a charity thing, a company gifted two seats at their regular table to charity and my mate bought them. I could instantly tell the woman from said company was uneasy at us being away fans, without actually saying it she was overly paranoid her company would get some sort of bad name. The banter was all good natured, so to hear a complaint had been raised was baffling. Even more baffling was when security asked why we wanted moved, to reveal no complaint was received. I've still got a feeling she orchestrated the whole thing because she didn't want her company getting a bad name. I believe they do business with the club so it adds up. Maybe she never and the complaint was genuine, if so then I hope the complainer's next shite is a Daniel Harvie penalty spot stud rake, right down his sphincter.

When I think back on it me and Moonster getting escorted by security to the away end, whilst suited and booted, like a coupla fuckin G's, only to receive a standing ovation from Sons fans when we appeared was right up there. Wit a moment. No child birth or wedding days will ever eclipse that.

[RandomGuy.]

50 minutes ago, buddie06smfc said:

 

It was only last night that you "couldn't care less to be brutally honest". Yet I'm the one being precious. Quite.

Having your leg broken or being spat at isn't cheating. You have no idea if the referee gave it on Loy's say so or not and neither do I. Either way it was a yellow card. Much in the same way as diving is seeking to gain an advantage, digging up the pitch to affect the trajectory of the ball is too. Yellow card for cheating.

Mind games are fine. That wasn't mind games. I don't really see what is up for discussion here, your team were guilty of poor sportsmanship. We missed the penalty.

 

Surely Loy trying to get opposition players booked is cheating aswell? As hes trying to nefariously "seek an advantage" by increasing the chances of one of them getting sent off?

[BallochSonsFan]

Penalty is soft as shite. Guy is leaning back into Darren Barr. He stretches for the ball, loses his balance and falls on his arse. Because he's leaning back into Barr the ref guesses that Barr pulled him down.

It's not a penalty.

[flyingscot]

Has anyone mentioned how woeful the referee was yet? Boy was being paid by the whistle. 

Nah draw probably a fair result all round. Dumbarton sat a bit deeper than other sides that we've played of late and they were a difficult team to break down. Not much space on the pitch and they closed us down well. 

[jimmy boo]

Where to start. I got the late call into hospitality and couldn't believe my luck. The meal was okay but free drink is not to be sniffed at. We watched the first half and were then escorted to the away end because a "complaint" had been made about us cheering on Dumbarton. We moved, wondering what the f**k it was all about, and were told we were allowed back in at full time for our full time pint. At full time I asked one of the officials what the complaint was only to be told that no complaints had been made about us. I cannot comprehend why we were moved, we were enjoying good banter with the Saints fans in front of us and there was no swearing or anything untoward, we even sat down when we were asked to, despite being sat in the back row and blocking the view of absolutely nobody. If we'd been warned at some point in the first half I would've accepted being moved without question, but I genuinely don't understand what the problem was, weird as f**k from the c***s running hospitality and I wouldn't recommend it unless you're getting it for hee-haw.
As for the football, I thought we were poor in the first half. The ball seemed a hot potato for us with nobody taking control. Then, penalty St Mirren. Harvie kicking lumps out the spot, the tannoy playing the celebration music, Loy hitting a pisser and Super Al Martin palming it away. It was fucking glorious. It seemed to give us a wee kick up the arse and if we had knicked it in the second half I don't think there could be any complaints.
What a strike from wee Vaughan, the pictures are fucking brilliant [emoji38]. Great point for us and another step closer to safety. I had feelings of goodwill towards St Mirren before yesterday, can't say I do now, I'm sure you'll all be distraught. Get it right round you Bobby F. 

Our officials are good at spotting wrong 'uns.