NotThePars Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 [emoji28] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 14 hours ago, McSpreader said: You're wrong in your analysis of my mind set, as always. Too often your interpretation of my posts highlight your own beliefs and prejudices and do not make any attemt to understand my own. I ccould easily support a drive for an iScotland but not in today's toxic climate. Your last sentence is just anger fuelled as I have no hate and have never expressed hate but you're right that I am currently happy that the UK is the state I live in. That could change if it weren't for people like you and the Fidiot. You write a lot but say nothing. And you never back up what you're claiming as true with proof. You don't reply when asked specifically (very) to provide evidence for what you say. You don't debate in any sense of the word, you just type big words you think you know what they mean. What is the point of you even posting in a serious thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, McSpreader said: Instead of struggling and failing to comprehend other people's viewpoints why not actually outline your views.......should be a laugh! So you're admitting that what I posted was your viewpoint? After all, you apparently recognised yourself (and your absurd hypocrisy when it comes to unions, one of which you think is bad because you believe it will one day attempt to emulate the one you think is good). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Well, this thread quickly derailed well off the tracks the OP originally set it off on. Sad, but unsurprising, given the usually suspects have hawked to this thread like flies to a pile of shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 8 hours ago, madwullie said: You write a lot but say nothing. And you never back up what you're claiming as true with proof. You don't reply when asked specifically (very) to provide evidence for what you say. You don't debate in any sense of the word, you just type big words you think you know what they mean. What is the point of you even posting in a serious thread. That's just plain wrong. I realise I'm not a cheerleader for your world view but I express my opinions......when I'm not defending my right to speak to the likes of you. If you are concerned about posters who type a lot but say little then go speak with Antlion. All he does is take my opinions and twist them to fit his prejudice and then call that proof that I'm wrong even though I've told him time and again that the premise of his criticism is flawed....What's all that about? Is that debate ? As for 'the big words' comment .......that's just a puerile insult. There are no 'big' words, just words and I like words. In fact I love words and I wish I had more time to express myself in words....especially song. I would like to write songs......and poems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Antlion schooled you to within an inch of your life not three pages ago, and left you flapping like a dying fish for all to see mate. This isn't the thread for it, but I notice mjw in another thread has asked for some evidence for one of your many seemingly baseless assertions. Why not pop over there and answer his request. Maybe you could do it in haiku form? Edit and fyi, saying "the premise of your criticism is flawed" without providing a proper reason doesn't wash. Your defence is basically I love Europe and have lots of European friends. Well I love and holiday in England and have a sizeable number of English friends but I still want independence. Maybe our 'world view" isn't that different or maybe,just maybe, saying something doesn't make it true. Or possibly even one of us is lying of course. Edited April 14, 2017 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Media are a joke. Used to be EU good in 2014. Now it's EU bad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Unionist viewpoint, it seems. British Union - Good European Union - Bad. You could so easily turn that around and say Nationalist viewpoint: British Union - Bad European Union - Good Not sure what it adds. Media are a joke. Used to be EU good in 2014. Now it's EU bad Even the most vehemently pro-EU outlets are now trying to spin Brexit as a positive. They remind of when the Rovers appointed Gary Locke in the summer. To begin with I was livid and thought it was the worst thing ever, then slowly I accepted that it had happened so we may as well make the most of it. He was sacked within nine months so by that reckoning it can't be long until we sack Brexit. Otherwise it's relegation for the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 35 minutes ago, Paco said: You could so easily turn that around and say Nationalist viewpoint: British Union - Bad European Union - Good That's a pretty specious argument. Independence supporters might claim the EU is "good" in comparison to the UK because the EU is a federation of sovereign states. The UK denies statehood to those it incorporates. I'd be saying "EU bad" if it was the same as the UK model. The problems UK nationalists have is that they appear to claim "EU bad" because they claim it will attempt what the UK has already done, but they claim "UK good". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 51 minutes ago, Paco said: You could so easily turn that around and say Nationalist viewpoint: British Union - Bad European Union - Good Not sure what it adds. Even the most vehemently pro-EU outlets are now trying to spin Brexit as a positive. They remind of when the Rovers appointed Gary Locke in the summer. To begin with I was livid and thought it was the worst thing ever, then slowly I accepted that it had happened so we may as well make the most of it. He was sacked within nine months so by that reckoning it can't be long until we sack Brexit. Otherwise it's relegation for the UK. Comparing Gary Locke with Brexit isn't a bad shout 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Paco said: You could so easily turn that around and say Nationalist viewpoint: British Union - Bad European Union - Good Not sure what it adds. But I abstained so dinnae blame me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 I want to hear the thoughts of people who intend to vote No when the time eventually comes. I ask of you two things: What are the main reasons as to why you are against independence? Can you present a solid case for Scotland to stay in the UK?BUMP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Presumably they say "No" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Why do people that want to enact a massive change on society believe that the people that are content are the ones who need to do the convincing? The argument for staying in the Union can be a shrug of the shoulders until the Yes side actually come up with anything substantial that amounts to more than birthday caird pish. I honestly find it remarkable they're trying to wing it so badly, they've clearly taken lessons from Brexit. Rather than having answers for sincere massive questions they're just going to go off of trying to appeal to the flag shaggers and inward looking da types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 18 hours ago, G51 said: Presumably they say "No" Like an anti man from Del Monte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 17 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Why do people that want to enact a massive change on society believe that the people that are content are the ones who need to do the convincing? The argument for staying in the Union can be a shrug of the shoulders until the Yes side actually come up with anything substantial that amounts to more than birthday caird pish. I honestly find it remarkable they're trying to wing it so badly, they've clearly taken lessons from Brexit. Rather than having answers for sincere massive questions they're just going to go off of trying to appeal to the flag shaggers and inward looking da types. It’s a winning formula. We just need a big red bus and some misleading information printed on the side. People seem to like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: It’s a winning formula. We just need a big red bus and some misleading information printed on the side. People seem to like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Surely it's fairly obvious why the No voters voted the way they did. They are happy with the status quo. Some of them would have been afraid of losing their pension (although that was a myth). Some would have been worried about losing their money in a high tax 'socialist' country. Some would vote for Britain from purely BritNat ideology - let's call them Rangers fans. Some might have been swayed by 'the vow' of more power to Scotland without the responsibility of actually going out on our own. Also, change is scary to some and they would just prefer to stick with what they know. The fear of the unknown is more powerful than the desire to change things possibly for the better. That is the main thing imo. The word possibly. No-one could guarantee an independent Scotland would be so much better and people were afraid to try. Edited June 30, 2022 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, 10menwent2mow said: Like an aunty man from Del Monte Transgenders against independence? Joanna Cherry will be furious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Surely it's fairly obvious why the No voters voted the way they did. They are happy with the status quo. Some of them would have been afraid of losing their pension (although that was a myth). Some would have been worried about losing their money in a high tax 'socialist' country. Some would vote for Britain from purely BritNat ideology - let's call them Rangers fans. Some might have been swayed by 'the vow' of more power to Scotland without the responsibility of actually going out on our own. Also, change is scary to some and they would just prefer to stick with what they know. The fear of the unknown is more powerful than the desire to change things possibly for the better. That is the main thing imo. The word possibly. No-one could guarantee an independent Scotland would be so much better and people were afraid to try. Speaking as someone who voted Yes in 2014, I can also appreciate that people have seen what ‘change’ looks like with Brexit, so alarm bells will be ringing. Also, the Scottish Government haven’t exactly been an exemplar of good governance in recent years, so putting more trust in them is a stretch. Edited June 30, 2022 by Scary Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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