Scottish Cup 2017/18

[LiviLion]

18 hours ago, PauloPerth said:

Great draw for us in terms of an away day at a ground we don't get to visit very often.. exactly what I hope for in a Cup draw.

Sympathy for the fans of clubs who've drawn teams in the same division, we've had it several times in the past few seasons and it's shite. 

I've mentioned before; what about Cup ties being drawn based around teams who haven't played each other in any competition for the longest period of time? Up until quarter finals where it reverts back to an all in draw.

It would mean regularly playing new teams and avoiding playing the same teams a ridiculous number of times... though a negative might be smaller clubs feeling it might make it harder for them to progress. 

Basically keep the premiership sides apart as long as possible?

Sounds very Scottish football. 

[Hursty]

Banks o Dee have submitted a complaint against Ayr, saying Ayr had forgot to list Declan McDaid as a sub on Saturday. Or something like that. Alsp read elsewhere that the issue is it was handed in late, which Ayr deny

 

 

[PauloPerth]

4 hours ago, theoriginalhedge said:

Possibly then it may be time to revamp the leagues.  Something I have mooted for years.   3 leagues , playing each other twice  with all the cups intermingled throughout the season might be an option.  Yes it would mean fewer "big games" as you put it , league wise , but there is the possibility of picking these up through the cup ties ........as happened this time with the Edinburgh derby. 

It would also give the players more of a summer break , which has become a huge issue with each pre - season seemingly getting shorter .  The fewer games would also reduce the burn out excuse that players and managers often complain about. 

Personally I see the league set up as the problem and not the premier cup competition.  As for the fireworks etc I think it is maybe you who has missed my point .   The cup , especially in the earlier rounds should be the chance for the lower league teams to take some of the limelight . This should be encouraged by the SFA by giving the TV companies the opportunity to approach the games like they do in England ...........instead of just going through formalities waiting for the Old Firm to get drawn together in the semis .   

Just my opinion  though. 

 

The coverage has been ok if you have a computer .    

No the SFA should be the ones trying to generate greater interest for all of their member clubs I would have thought . 

 Agree about the coverage, Scottish Cup matches should be on tv from the earliest rounds onwards. 

[PauloPerth]

3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

You'd likely always end up with top flight teams playing lower league sides, which whilst "entertaining" for top flight sides, could get a bit shite for lower league sides, and could well end up with the Quarters regularly being solely top flight teams because they've been kept apart.

 

1 hour ago, LiviLion said:

Basically keep the premiership sides apart as long as possible?

Sounds very Scottish football. 

Yes that would be a downside, though you're always going to get shocks.

I was thinking of it more in terms of spreading the wealth a bit, and particularly from a supporters viewpoint of playing different teams and visiting new grounds.

But I agree, the league cup Quarter finals, for example, can often look a bit boring with the usual suspects always involved.

 

[theoriginalhedge]

39 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

 

Yes that would be a downside, though you're always going to get shocks.

I was thinking of it more in terms of spreading the wealth a bit, and particularly from a supporters viewpoint of playing different teams and visiting new grounds.

But I agree, the league cup Quarter finals, for example, can often look a bit boring with the usual suspects always involved.

 

I thought the Scottish Cup in it's present form is the fairest way to spread the wealth.  It is an all in draw with no favoritism .  Pot luck who you get.  

We have waited years to get an exciting tie like this one which captures the imagination of our town .  This is what us wee teams look forward to each season.  Our aim is to get to the 4th round to give us this chance. Nine  out of ten times we draw someone of similar status to ourselves and it is 50/50 whether we get through . If we don't then we try again next season. 

As you mention the League Cup has proven that seeding of any kind only helps the stronger sides progress , which is really what your sponsors are after.  Tinker with that one all you want but please leave the Scottish Cup alone if only to give the smaller member clubs something to aim for. 

[lichtie23]

Banks o Dee have submitted a complaint against Ayr, saying Ayr had forgot to list Declan McDaid as a sub on Saturday. Or something like that. Alsp read elsewhere that the issue is it was handed in late, which Ayr deny
 
 

Need this to happen. Much better away day

[AyrshireTon]

22 minutes ago, lichtie23 said:

Need this to happen. Much better away day

Yep, award Banks O’ Dee the tie.

Or just do the whole draw again.

[Stellaboz]

Award the cup to BoD

[HibeeJibee]

1 hour ago, Hursty said:

Banks o Dee have submitted a complaint against Ayr, saying Ayr had forgot to list Declan McDaid as a sub on Saturday. Or something like that. Alsp read elsewhere that the issue is it was handed in late, which Ayr deny

22. TEAM LINES
 

The Official Team Line for matches in the Competition shall permit the listing of 11 starting players, a maximum of seven named substitutes, and six technical personnel. The template of the Official Team Line shall be provided by the Scottish FA. The Official Team Line must be submitted in order to enable a club to participate in a match in the Competition.

 

a) Not later than 75 minutes before the start of the match, each club shall hand to the referee, the Official Team Line and to its opponent, a duplicate thereof. The Official Team Line shall contain accurate and complete details of the numbers, proper player names and dates of birth in relation to not more than 18 players, together with proper names of the technical personnel to be seated within the technical area (subject to a maximum of six such technical personnel). The Official Team Line must be properly completed in block capitals, and signed by the Secretary or other accredited official. Upon signature by the Secretary or other accredited official, such Official Team Line will be deemed to be complete and binding on the club concerned.

 

The 11 starting players in the Official Team Line must commence the match. The other named players are designated as substitutes. The numbers on the players’ shirts must correspond with the numbers indicated on the Official Team Line. The goalkeepers and team Captain must be identified. Only three of the named substitutes on the Official Team Line may take part in the match as fielded substitutes, except in the event that extra time is played in any match where a team is permitted to use an additional substitute, a fourth in total, during such period of extra time. A player who has been substituted may take no further part in the match.

 

If so required pursuant to the Club Licensing Procedures, each club shall also list the proper name of the club’s Doctor in the Official Team Line. In all other circumstances, it is recommended that a club’s Doctor and Physiotherapist are listed on the Official Team Line and accommodated in the technical area within the category of technical personnel.

 

Replacement of players on the Official Team Line:

 

(i) If any of the 11 starting players listed on the Official Team Line is not able to start the match due to unexpected physical incapacity or other extreme circumstances (which are explained to and accepted by the referee), he may only be replaced by one of the named substitutes. The substitute(s) in question may then only be replaced by an eligible player(s) not originally listed on the Official Team Line as signed, so that the quota of substitutes is not reduced. During the match, three players may still be substituted, except in the event that extra time is played in any match where a team is permitted to use an additional substitute, a fourth in total, during such period of extra time. If for any reason changes require to be made to the Official Team Line pursuant to Rule 22(a) (i), (ii) and (iii) (and said changes are accepted by the referee) then the club must notify its opponent immediately thereafter.

 

(ii) If any of the named substitutes listed on the Official Team Line is not able at the start of the match to be fielded due to unexpected physical incapacity or other extreme circumstances (which are explained to and accepted by the referee), he may only be replaced by an eligible player not originally listed on the Official Team Line as signed.

 

(iii) If a goalkeeper listed on the Official Team Line is not able to be fielded due to unexpected physical incapacity suffered by him or other extreme circumstances (which are explained to and accepted by the referee), then he may be replaced but only by an eligible player not originally listed on the Official Team Line as signed, and who must be designated as a goalkeeper pursuant to Rule 14.

 

The club concerned must in addition to the requirements set out above, upon request, provide the Scottish FA with necessary medical certificates and/or a full written explanation of the circumstances that caused the change.

[AyrshireTon]

Well a post that long must imply guilt IMO.

Chuck them out.

[Jimmy85]

Cheating c***s.

[HibeeJibee]

According to thread in FitbaNorth quoting local radio Fraserburgh v Rangers goes ahead at Bellslea, as it should be.

Looks like H&S has been onto it through as it's claimed capacity reduced to 1,200.

[CM.]

Saw on Facebook earlier the "goal of the 3rd round" was Montrose equaliser in the replay against QoS; a straight forward header from a straight forward cross into the box. 

All the other goals in the round must've been OGs or scrappy goalmouth scrambles  if that was the winner

 

[lionel hutz]

Any idea on when the TV games will be announced.

[AyrshireTon]

On 12/6/2017 at 02:09, Marr1 said:

Any idea on when the TV games will be announced.

I guess they're waiting to see if Ayr get chucked out before choosing.

[smpar]

Aberdeen vs St Mirren - Sat 20th January 12:15pm, BBC

Fraserburgh vs Rangers - Sun 21st Jan 12pm, Sky Sports

Hearts vs Hibs - Sun 21st Jan 2:05pm, Sky Sports

 

Would have preferred Alloa vs Dundee United or Albion Rovers vs St Johnstone over the Aberdeen/St Mirren game tbh. 

[The Master]

Aberdeen v St Mirren

Presumably Sky had the first two picks, because there's no way the BBC would have passed over Hearts v Hibs or Fraserburgh v Sevco.

 

[peternapper]

Saw something the other day about how much clubs get now for being televised, the cash has dropped a lot used to be about £80k now around £20k don't know if that was for league or cup matches. Remember a few years back when we played Celtic it was being broadcast in HD so we had to get in extra lights at a cost of around 10k which came out of our cut of the money if its still a similar set-up, smaller clubs may get better prize money but less for being on tele.

[lichtie23]

Saw something the other day about how much clubs get now for being televised, the cash has dropped a lot used to be about £80k now around £20k don't know if that was for league or cup matches. Remember a few years back when we played Celtic it was being broadcast in HD so we had to get in extra lights at a cost of around 10k which came out of our cut of the money if its still a similar set-up, smaller clubs may get better prize money but less for being on tele.

£82,500 IIRC. We made a good profit when playing Rangers and Celtic live on Sky. Pretty sure it was in back to back years as well

[parsforlife]

Saw something the other day about how much clubs get now for being televised, the cash has dropped a lot used to be about £80k now around £20k don't know if that was for league or cup matches. Remember a few years back when we played Celtic it was being broadcast in HD so we had to get in extra lights at a cost of around 10k which came out of our cut of the money if its still a similar set-up, smaller clubs may get better prize money but less for being on tele.

The money for being televised has been significantly cut with the money now being part of the general prize pot.

 

Didn't realize it had been dropped as low as 20k but it's probably enough to mean clubs will earn a slightly more out of being a televised match than they would from a non-tv game with a bigger crowd. Certainly no longer a cash cow!