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St Johnstone Football Club V Glasgow Celtic Football Club 5/2/17


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23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

 


No I wouldn't.

Its just another example of how referees treat incidents against Celtic, and for Celtic, differently.

Hes maybe not 100% sure Swanson's been fouled, so doesn't give a penalty. Then there's no way he can be 100% sure Watsons handballed it, but he gives it.

It's not a level playing field.

 

You're beyond saving mate.

Celtic have utterly emptied you.

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1 hour ago, shiltrum said:

You may have to read some previous posts to see what context I used establishment for. As for having poverty in my DNA you don't know me and what my lifestyle is like but unlike some I did not forget where I came from no sense of entitlement in my family.

 

ps OF? There is no OF just thought I would clear that up

 

Who can forget the old firm showing up at Hampden together to carve up the SPL.

Celtic fans might try and distance themselves from that now but that's only because they can control things without Rangers by throwing Petrie and Milne a bone now and again.

 The old firm, the establishment, big corporate money making machines.

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5 hours ago, Austin McCann said:

 

Who can forget the old firm showing up at Hampden together to carve up the SPL.

Celtic fans might try and distance themselves from that now but that's only because they can control things without Rangers by throwing Petrie and Milne a bone now and again.

 The old firm, the establishment, big corporate money making machines.

one of those money making machines died penniless a few years ago JS

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15 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

 


No I wouldn't.

Its just another example of how referees treat incidents against Celtic, and for Celtic, differently.

Hes maybe not 100% sure Swanson's been fouled, so doesn't give a penalty. Then there's no way he can be 100% sure Watsons handballed it, but he gives it.

It's not a level playing field.

The game at Celtic Park a few weeks ago saw Celtic score early on but the goal wasn't given as the ball was judged to be out of play before the cross came in. On the match thread on here most St Johnstone fans admitted they weren't convinced that it was out. Surely if the refs were that hell bent on ensuring Celtic won everything, they would give the decisions like that one that are unlikely to cause a massive stooshie?

I'd also suggest that Thompson's decision to only book Paton on Sunday was as debatable as the St Johnstone penalty that wasn't given. Had Scott Brown put that challenge in, most of this thread would have been dedicated to the fact that Brown can kick who he wants with almost total impunity.

Craig Thompson has made high profile howler after high profile howler throughout his refereeing career. Sunday was just another day in his life as a referee.

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18 minutes ago, Ross. said:

The game at Celtic Park a few weeks ago saw Celtic score early on but the goal wasn't given as the ball was judged to be out of play before the cross came in. On the match thread on here most St Johnstone fans admitted they weren't convinced that it was out. Surely if the refs were that hell bent on ensuring Celtic won everything, they would give the decisions like that one that are unlikely to cause a massive stooshie.

Just a thought but I assume it was the linesman who gave that decision and not the referee?

Also I very much doubt an early call at Parkhead when the score is 0-0 is the same as the ref giving a penalty to Celtic at 2-1 down when the whole world can see he is not in a position to give it.

Yes, referees make bad calls against Celtic and Rangers too. Sadly they tend to not matter or are very few and far between.

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There's been so much 'trolling' on here recently that I thought it might be good to revisit a Guardian article from 2014 that explains the psychology behind it. Why do people do it and what does it tell us about them? Personally I'd rather we had discussions than be 'sucked into' showing our base selves but in a spirit of generosity here you are:

First, trolls are more likely to display noxious personality characteristics, that is, traits that impair one’s ability to build relations and function in a civilised or pro-social way. In a comprehensive examination of their psychological profile, trolls were found to be more Machiavellian (impulsive and charming manipulators), psychopathic (cold, fearless and antisocial), and especially sadist than the overall population. Trolls enjoy harming and intimidating others, so much so that the authors of this study concluded that trolls are “prototypical everyday sadists”, and that trolling should be regarded as online sadism. This is in line with the view of trolling as a form of cyberbullying.

Second, trolling – like other forms of computer-mediated communication – unleashes people’s impulses by providing anonymity and temporary identity loss.This phenomenon, called deindividuation, is well known to psychologists and has been found to emerge in several areas of interpersonal relations, such as gaming, role-playing and crowd behaviours, particularly hooliganism. Thus even when we are not naturally sadistic, trolling may bring out the worst side in us, by lifting the moral constraints and social etiquette that regulates our behaviour in normal situations, and by fuelling dissent and triggering abrasive reactions.

Third, trolling is a status-enhancing activity: by attracting readers’ attention, upsetting people, sparking heated debates, and even gaining approval from others, trolls can feel important, perhaps much more than they are in their real lives. Thus trolling is yet another internet activity that promotes narcissistic motives, since trolls may be expected to be far less successful in attracting people’s attention in the physical world. The only effective antidote to their tactics is to ignore them, but even then trolls won’t suffer a public humiliation because nobody knows who they are. This is what makes trolling so ubiquitous – it requires no skills other than the ability to be obnoxious.

So, how can trolls be managed? As recent reviews have shown, sites, editors and authors can take concrete measures to minimise trolling. Disabling anonymity, moderating comments and banning offenders, as well as predicting whether an article is likely to promote trolling, are all effective steps.

End of Article

Personally I think we should take the bull by the horns and deal with the offenders. Discussion is not all about one-upmanship, smart arse retorts and put-downs. Why can't we adopt a new method of dealing with trolls which involves disabling anonymity? Is it against the rules?  Let's call them out!

 

 

 

 

(Taken from the Guardian Newspaper, full article here, https://www.theguardian.com/media-network/media-network-blog/2014/sep/18/psychology-internet-trolls-pewdiepie-youtube-mary-beard. All bold is mine).

 

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Just now, Gaz FFC said:

Just a thought but I assume it was the linesman who gave that decision and not the referee?

Also I very much doubt an early call at Parkhead when the score is 0-0 is the same as the ref giving a penalty to Celtic at 2-1 down when the whole world can see he is not in a position to give it.

Yes, referees make bad calls against Celtic and Rangers too. Sadly they tend to not matter or are very few and far between.

Granted, the calls aren't like for like but if you are suggesting the ref is going to give all the big decisions to one team then surely the linesmen must be in on it too?

I think the "Tend not to matter" comment is probably the biggest issue. The resource gap means there is a quality gap. Even with a bit of luck/favour from the refs, the odds are still against you.

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