JustOneCornetto Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Sisto struck that so sweetly, great save. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Hartson. Dreadful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Latino Lover said: How did I forget about Iceland. Tbf england beat Germany in euro 2000 and 2001 so they are even for this century, in fact possibly ahead on gd. I still think there’s a really unhealthy obsession with england on here and selective choosing of who is an elite side, it’s certainly changed in the past 18 years which is normal. I don't think it's an unhealthy obsession. We're Scottish, we are subjected to English media, and I think it's only natural that we apply the perspective that our English friends are often lacking. While it's true that teams come in and out of the top bracket over time, if you go through every tournament since 2002, the pattern is quite clear. England beat the teams they are expected to beat (Iceland 2016 being the exception), but they always get knocked out at the first high hurdle. There are no examples in that time of England beating a side in a tournament that had genuine aspirations of winning the competition. None. For example, they beat Switzerland and Croatia at Euro 2004, but neither of those sides were strong at that point. England's performance is pretty predictable, and hasn't changed under Southgate. The surprise would be if they avoided relegation, as it would probably require them to actually beat a genuinely good side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 France looking very good so far albeit against a rank rotten Dutch side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneCornetto Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 France are different class, so much pace in their team 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 France looking very good so far albeit against a rank rotten Dutch side.Yes you would fear the worst for the Dutch.Babel still getting a game for them[emoji3] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 What happens with league A in this nations league if they don’t get 4 who haven’t qualified to make up the play offs . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said: What happens with league A in this nations league if they don’t get 4 who haven’t qualified to make up the play offs . They take the best placed nations from League B, after the play-off places in League B have been filled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 They take the best placed nations from League B, after the play-off places in League B have been filled.Early days but the likes of Netherlands and Iceland could be big winners in this and get relegated from a as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, JTS98 said: I don't think it's an unhealthy obsession. We're Scottish, we are subjected to English media, and I think it's only natural that we apply the perspective that our English friends are often lacking. While it's true that teams come in and out of the top bracket over time, if you go through every tournament since 2002, the pattern is quite clear. England beat the teams they are expected to beat (Iceland 2016 being the exception), but they always get knocked out at the first high hurdle. There are no examples in that time of England beating a side in a tournament that had genuine aspirations of winning the competition. None. For example, they beat Switzerland and Croatia at Euro 2004, but neither of those sides were strong at that point. England's performance is pretty predictable, and hasn't changed under Southgate. The surprise would be if they avoided relegation, as it would probably require them to actually beat a genuinely good side. Whereas Scotland lose or draw against the teams they're expected to beat and win or draw against the teams we're expected to lose to. Apart from Belgium which was a friendly. And probably many more.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Andy Walker really does talk absolute shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Whereas Scotland lose or draw against the teams they're expected to beat and win or draw against the teams we're expected to lose to. Apart from Belgium which was a friendly. And probably many more.. Sadly, aye. Woefully unreliable in the games that would give us an even swing at making progress. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DAVIDB69 said: Early days but the likes of Netherlands and Iceland could be big winners in this and get relegated from a as well Would teams still be picked to fill play-off spots even if they’d been relegated? Seems mad if so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 hours ago, eez-eh said: Would teams still be picked to fill play-off spots even if they’d been relegated? Seems mad if so. Yes, they would. So every country in the A division is more or less guaranteed at least a PO spot as there is no chance more than 4 teams in A will fail to qualify. Basically, all countries in B are nearly guaranteed as well as I can't see it happening that only 16 or fewer out of the 24 in A and B qualify. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 On 09/09/2018 at 13:14, JTS98 said: They've played France at Euro 2004 and Euro 2012, they've played Germany at World Cup 2010, they've played Portugal at Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006, they've played Italy at Euro 2012 and World Cup 2014, they played Belgium twice at World Cup 2018, they played Iceland at Euro 2016. That's no wins in ten games against the other sides they've met from League A. I'd say that's significant. England's performances this summer weren't an improvement. They were exactly in line with England's typical competitive results since they beat Argentina in 2002. They rarely slip up against mediocre sides, but they never beat good sides. Never. That's why the reaction to the 'improvement' from 2014 to 2018 was absurd. In 2014 England opened with two games of the type they haven't won since 2002, Italy and Uruguay. It should come as no surprise that they lost both games narrowly, this is perfectly in line with England's normal performances. They were just unlucky that the draw meant they faced good sides earlier than normal. In 2018 the opposite happened, and they didn't play a genuinely good side in a meaningful game till Croatia. Their form hasn't changed at all. Last night continued that. That's a strong telt IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Breaking News, Roy Keane is apparantly an Arsehole https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liam-brady-calls-roy-keane-13222502 If only anyone had seen this coming 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Italy look an absolute shambles at the back and a better team than Portugal would be hammering them already. Appointing Mancini was a terrible decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Italy just hanging on and no more. If the second half follows the same pattern it's only a matter of time until Portugal score. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Well that took long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Right on cue. 1-0. Awful from Italy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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