Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Because an extra 30k a year really isn't that much extra for clubs in L2, the winner of this league gets 55k. So an extra 1.2 million minimum a year, likely much much more, the SPFL have to find to push this idea through.... Not happening. So another £30k is an insignificant increase to £55k (max) for a league 2 club in your view!! You think then that the powers that be will expect to get this change through by simply recommending it as good for the game?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 So another £30k is an insignificant increase to £55k (max) for a league 2 club in your view!! You think then that the powers that be will expect to get this change through by simply recommending it as good for the game?! Well when the idea on offer is the one proposed then yes it is insignificant. You'd lose more money by people calling it a day and calling it quits on watching their team. We can make up to half that amount in a single league game against Forfar or Montrose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Are you being serious? Fancy replying to my last point? Where are the SPFL pulling these millions from every year to compensate other clubs? From the increased sponsorship and TV revenue over next few years plus changes in club academy payments then of course Tv might want to broadcast these colts games as they did in challenge cup, etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 So another £30k is an insignificant increase to £55k (max) for a league 2 club in your view!! You think then that the powers that be will expect to get this change through by simply recommending it as good for the game?! What makes you think that they'll try anything different? Especially going on past experience with the SPFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Judge Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said: No not really Colts are Colts and play Colts in League football. Reserves play reserves. Development sides play development sides. Juniors play juniors. Seniors play seniors. That is logical and how I think it should be when you play in Leagues. Do you have a view on full time players versus part time players? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 From the increased sponsorship and TV revenue over next few years plus changes in club academy payments then of course Tv might want to broadcast these colts games as they did in challenge cup, etc I'm sure premier sports will have millions to give us after how many subscriptions they would've received for people wanting to watch the Colt teams in the challenge cup. Increased sponsorship? What is attractive about under 20 old firm teams ffs? They both currently play in training grounds infront of nobody but their mums and dads. You are deluded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Well when the idea on offer is the one proposed then yes it is insignificant. You'd lose more money by people calling it a day and calling it quits on watching their team. We can make up to half that amount in a single league game against Forfar or Montrose. That's a different argument and you have no real idea how many would actually call it a day against a known and guaranteed sum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Do you have a view on full time players versus part time players? No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 TV barely give a toss about our senior teams and the Celtic colts got shown for buttons. There's absolutely no reason to think more money could come from this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm sure premier sports will have millions to give us after how many subscriptions they would've received for people wanting to watch the Colt teams in the challenge cup. Increased sponsorship? What is attractive about under 20 old firm teams ffs? They both currently play in training grounds infront of nobody but their mums and dads. You are deluded. I never said there was anything attractive about them but that Tv channel paid to broadcast all of Celtic Colts Challenge Cup games so I guess they saw a demand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Don't see this big flaw - the Lowland League could easily expand to accommodate another 2 clubs not rocket science at all; they want their young players to play v 'men' that is the point so as in old 'C' Division they could be ineligible for promotion but still meet their goal of playing against more experienced pros (the highest finishing non-Colt team could still go into play off not a difficult rule to amend); as before the colts teams wouldn't go up at all. The real point I was making is that instead of knee-jerk one dimensional opposition all the angles need considered if it is to be resisted thus not just SPFL vote needs considered but also Lowland League voting when lobbying agin it. What's the real difference in expanding L2 with no promotion for the Colts versus expanding LL with no promotion for the Colts?If it's unacceptable for this division why is it acceptable for a lower teir?That's the arsey superiority issues that will possibly see us having to put up with this farce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 TV barely give a toss about our senior teams and the Celtic colts got shown for buttons. There's absolutely no reason to think more money could come from this. So how do you think lower league teams would be persuaded to vote it through then? Classic football ploy - use up front cash to persuade. Exactly what the elite are now expected to try in relation to UEFA competitions restructure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 There is no money in Scottish football. Never mind millions on an annual basis for 2 under 20 sides to play in L2. The fact you can't seem to get your head around this is frightening. And if, IF they did do what you're proposing and spend such a sum on it then Scottish football is finished. It would be absolutely ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 So how do you think lower league teams would be persuaded to vote it through then? Classic football ploy - use up front cash to persuade. Exactly what the elite are now expected to try in relation to UEFA competitions restructure. They'll be hoping some chairmen are idiots. And I don't think that's an unrealistic hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 What's the real difference in expanding L2 with no promotion for the Colts versus expanding LL with no promotion for the Colts?If it's unacceptable for this division why is it acceptable for a lower teir?That's the arsey superiority issues that will possibly see us having to put up with this farce. I don't know since I didn't claim that or support that just gave a theory how it could possibly happen when someone said it couldn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 There is no money in Scottish football. Never mind millions on an annual basis for 2 under 20 sides to play in L2. The fact you can't seem to get your head around this is frightening. And if, IF they did do what you're proposing and spend such a sum on it then Scottish football is finished. It would be absolutely ridiculous. So if the project is about producing better Scottish footballers than the present system then the SFA and big clubs who want this won't invest in their own plan? Don't know where your millions on an annual basis comes from other than you are exaggerating the net cost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 So the SPFL are going to find an extra how much to give to the 40 other clubs?? Great way to spend money. SPFL 2 clubs an extra £300k a year, how much are the clubs in L1, the championship and the premiership going to get then? Because an extra 30k a year really isn't that much extra for clubs in L2, the winner of this league gets 55k. It's buttons to championship clubs and premiership clubs. So an extra 1.2 million minimum a year, likely much much more, the SPFL have to find to push this idea through.... Not happening. So if the project is about producing better Scottish footballers than the present system then the SFA and big clubs who want this won't invest in their own plan? Don't know where your millions on an annual basis comes from other than you are exaggerating the net cost. How much will clubs get then? An extra 30k for the 10 league 2 clubs you've said... What about the other 28? Eta: 30 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Any idea that Colts should be accommodated in senior football should be shot down quicker than a Jihadi in the White House 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Why would the footballing authorities need to increase the money pot? Surely the 1000's of additional old firm supporters through the turnstiles will increase revenues. That's before the huge sponsorship and TV deals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 How much will clubs get then? An extra 30k for the 10 league 2 clubs you've said... What about the other 28?Eta: 30 Well how much is saved by the club academy restructure? What is the increase in income due and/projected for next few years? What is your logic in saying 28 clubs get an increase as not all are impacted by the change? Which 28 clubs are these? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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