Old Firm Colts in L2

[DiegoDiego]

Instead of allowing the 2 clubs to have a B team, therefore hoovering up even more young talent, make it the bottom club gets first pick at the elite youth academies, 2nd bottom next pick , and so on. It works in other countries for sports, only greed and narrow minds prevent it here.

I perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned, but I quite like the idea of people being able to choose who employs them.

[big al]

47 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

I perhaps I'm a bit old fashioned, but I quite like the idea of people being able to choose who employs them.

Well it was just my suggestion off the top of my head as 1 of probably many ways to redress the balance of the top division.

I’m sure all these super duper ‘think tanks’ could come up with more and better ideas if they wanted to, instead of arse licking the bigot brothers and ensuring they win the league forever.

Was based on the basketball which I enjoy watching on sky. It’s almost always different teams at the top at the end of the season, what a concept that would be. 

Edited July 2, 2021 by big al

[Cornishman]

If we are to have to exist with 'subsidiary' [word carefully chosen] teams within the significant Pyramid structure, then there must be tight regulations and significant compromises made in return. 

I've thought of a fair few, but no doubt, the following list can be added-to, so feel free to do so &/or critique in comments...

The top-of-the-list compromise to be demanded must be to revert to a 50/50 matchday financial redistribution of attendance income, with a significant levy (10%) imposed for distribution among lower divisional clubs. 

The second compromise should be to insist upon SPFL reconstruction below the Premiership, to increase divisional sizes to eighteen/twenty, probably reducing to just Championship/League One [in the SPFL] in that process.

Promotion/relegation to & from the Premiership must be guaranteed at two clubs per season, ideally with some form of third-club peril/playoff-opportunity... which should positively influence some Premiership thoughts with respect to 'refreshment' of the divisional format.

As far as 'subsidiary team' participation is concerned...

Firstly, every such team shall require to be comprised of (say) 100% U-23s & 80% Scottish-qualified players, without let.

All Premiership clubs will be required to field a 'subsidiary team', guaranteed for five seasons counting from the first season of Premiership accession. Any other club may operate a 'subsidiary team', to compete no higher than two divisions beneath itself in the Pyramid, subject to being guaranteed for three seasons counting from/including the first season of playing. Such bond-backed guarantees are in all cases for the purpose of reducing any 'withdrawal chaos' in lower divisions and all 'subsidiary teams' are subject to a one-season notice of withdrawal.

No 'subsidiary team' player having been fielded, starting (say) 5-times in a First-team, or 10-times subbed, or 15-times benched, or combination thereof may participate back in any 'subsidiary team' match in the same/following season, except versus another 'subsidiary team'-XI.

No 'subsidiary team' would be allowed higher than League One &/or be eligible to compete in significant Cup competition.

Like in the German system, a limit of (say) 4 'subsidiary teams' may be allowed in League One per season. If more than this were to initially qualify to do so, then a 'winnowing' sub-competition between them would be played to reduce numbers accordingly. Such ruling repeated in any/all lower divisions, subject to no division comprising >20% in number of 'subsidiary teams', unless agreed beforehand by the governing body.

In divisions containing 'subsidiary teams' in which other rules are not pre-arranged, 'subsidiary teams' would to all intents and purposes be treated for promotion and relegation purposes exactly the same as any other team, subject to overarching rules governing maximum numbers of 'subsidiary teams' allowed per division, wherein a promoted 'subsidiary team' takes the place of an incumbent 'subsidiary team' in the higher division, as opposed to a 'normal' team.

For 'normal' teams, points & GF/GA/GD against 'subsidiary teams' will be counted as normal for positional placements.

Edited July 3, 2021 by Cornishman

[true fan]

Or tell them to get better at developing players and **** off

[DA Baracus]

20 hours ago, big al said:

Well it was just my suggestion off the top of my head as 1 of probably many ways to redress the balance of the top division.

I’m sure all these super duper ‘think tanks’ could come up with more and better ideas if they wanted to, instead of arse licking the bigot brothers and ensuring they win the league forever.

Was based on the basketball which I enjoy watching on sky. It’s almost always different teams at the top at the end of the season, what a concept that would be. 

All of the basketball teams can afford top wages for a start. Imagine if you were a top football player but got drafted to Hamilton or Inverness for example. That player would be losing out big time on wages when they could have instead signed for Aberdeen or Hibs for greater pay and terms. That would just discourage players from joining such an academy system.

 

[big al]

3 hours ago, Out of office said:

All of the basketball teams can afford top wages for a start. Imagine if you were a top football player but got drafted to Hamilton or Inverness for example. That player would be losing out big time on wages when they could have instead signed for Aberdeen or Hibs for greater pay and terms. That would just discourage players from joining such an academy system.

 

So there’s the real problem. Unfairness of finances causes basically a no competition league. 
Maybe start by addressing this first.

Sur I read it’s 36 years now since anyone else has won the league. 36 years of the same pish, what’s the fuckin point?

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by big al

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, big al said:

So there’s the real problem. Unfairness of finances causes basically a no competition league. 
Maybe start by addressing this first.

Sur I read it’s 36 years now since anyone else has won the league. 36 years of the same pish, what’s the fuckin point?

 

Yes, but a draft wouldn't come close to even starting to solve that given teams can sign players from elsewhere, and given that they'd just be able to buy players drafted to other teams anyway.

Part of the reason drafts work in American sports is that they are 'contained' so to speak, i.e. there's only one league, or only one where any half decent player and above plays. Teams in those leagues can't just go and sign players from other countries or poach the best players from the domestic leagues below them, as there aren't any.

If you introduced a draft here Sevco and Celtic would just hoover up even more younger players in to their own youth systems, and push harder for 'colt' sides to ensure that.

 

I don't know how to address the financial imbalance. I don't think you can unfortunately. We live in a capitalist society and laws, including laws of the game, are all set up to serve the richer clubs. Genuinely, the best hope we have is for Sevco and Celtic to f**k off, which is one of the main reasons why we can't allow them to have 'colt' teams in the SPFL.

Edited July 3, 2021 by Out of office

[DA Baracus]

On 26/06/2021 at 10:28, Cardle is Magic said:

I emailed DAFC to ask if they were against the proposals and I am concerned by the non-answer I received in reply.

 

I got almost the exact same reply, word for word (the only difference was an added line to me).

I replied that if that was the club's response then it was not acceptable and that those running the club will have their competence called in to question. I received no response to that.

[Andy groundhopper]

Think the integrity of the game must be retained, every non league club must see an opportunity to scale the ramparts into the spfl - then to play every game with 3 pts at stake, with promotion or relegation on offer. Having colts teams doesn't mean they will all reach the 1st team, going out on loan must be preferable.Sadly the ££ may play a part in swaying clubs minds. 

[cmontheloknow]

On 30/06/2021 at 12:57, Honestman1954 said:

You mean the English National Anthem which is an anti-Scottish song?

not as originally written. It's like saying The Best is anti catholic.

[bluearmyfaction]

On 30/06/2021 at 21:05, rockson said:

Except the English thought it was.

Then or now?  I doubt there are many English these days who have heard of the 15 or 45.  And those that have will know it was a Jacobite (re-)invasion rather than a Scottish revolt.

I think then there was a different attitude to nation anyway - wasn't there a Scots paper called the North Briton?

[Cowden Cowboy]

3 hours ago, bluearmyfaction said:

Then or now?  I doubt there are many English these days who have heard of the 15 or 45.  And those that have will know it was a Jacobite (re-)invasion rather than a Scottish revolt.

I think then there was a different attitude to nation anyway - wasn't there a Scots paper called the North Briton?

And nobody ever really sings that verse in the modern era 

[EdinburghBlue]

17 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

And nobody ever really sings that verse in the modern era 

It’s still part of the song. 

[bishopburn boy]

22 hours ago, bluearmyfaction said:

Then or now?  I doubt there are many English these days who have heard of the 15 or 45.  And those that have will know it was a Jacobite (re-)invasion rather than a Scottish revolt.

I think then there was a different attitude to nation anyway - wasn't there a Scots paper called the North Briton?

For a while in the early 1800’s there was an effort to effectively re brand Scotland as “north Britain” faded away in the latter half of that century , however there is still the north British hotel on Princes street as a reminder to us all 

[Dundee Hibernian]

'North Britain' was still widely used as a collective term for Scotland in the early 1900s, birth records commonly used the abbreviation N.B. after the village or town in which an individual had been born. It was also habitually used in postal addresses, as illustrated on the popular postcards of the time.

Not that it matters in the Colt debate, they can still get tae.

[Ranaldo Bairn]

I wonder if the landmass formerly known as England ever collectively renamed itself as "South Britain".

If not, I wonder why?

[Mick1867]

On 29/06/2021 at 13:38, Thistle Scotland Europe said:

I SUPPORT COLT TEAMS IN THE LOWER LEAGUES 

This is about putting Scottish football first, 

My priorities as a Scottish football fan.

1) Scotland has a strong national team. 

2) Scotland produces club teams who do well in Europe. 

This would allow both things to happen. 

I think Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell and Dundee United should all have colt teams in the SPFL. 

This is about maximising the chances for young players to develop. 

This is about ensuring that all the most talented Scottish players can develop,. 

And some clown will say well why don't Celtic and Rangers put all their first teams as a team of young Scottish players,. Bu they would get slaughtered in Europe then. Not even part time teams fill their first teams with under 21 players. 

This is about ensuring that young players develop without damaging the first teams of Scottish club in Europe. 

Why do some clowns think their part time football team finishing 4 or 5 places higher in League One, is more important than Scotland producing top players? No wonder Scottish soccer fails with that divisive tribalistic attitude. 

 

I WANT SCOTLAND TO PRODUCE TOP PLAYERS., END OF STORY, 

And yet if Celtic, Rangers or a big English club sent a youth team to play these sides in a friendly no one would bat an eyelid, 

And the loan system is not enough, because someone the players might not be wanted by the smaller clubs at their stage of development. 

You can get in the fuckin bin as well ya daftie  

[Andy groundhopper]

If you're good enough then you're old enough, get the 18-20 yr olds in the first team and get on with it. Colts in spfl2 won't gain much, the odd starlet may get through. Why not put everyone's Colts in an spfl3 oh yeah just like the reserve league they keep fu**ING up Bin the whole idea before it's too late.

[Clayhole Blue]

For a while in the early 1800’s there was an effort to effectively re brand Scotland as “north Britain” faded away in the latter half of that century , however there is still the north British hotel on Princes street as a reminder to us all 

The hotel was renamed in the 80s or 90s - now the Balmoral which also has colonial overtones!

[Guest]

Just popped in to say f**k the Colts... that is all.