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Really hope Colt teams never happen in the current Pyramid. If they are going to do it though now is the time when fans aren't in grounds or able to gather to protest. Can only hope there would be same vocalness about opposing the new co Rangers from skipping starting from the bottom. 

Celtic and Rangers think their reserves are too good to play other full time reserves so what why are they so keen on this? They would be using the loan system much more if they thought the lower SPFL leagues were place for their players to develop. 

SPFL though does need to open up. Increase of 6 clubs is fine but make them all from existing clubs and on merit. Surely clubs like Albion Rovers, Brechin, Cowdenbeath must be thinking a few more teams and longer term more promotion slots into the league might help them should relegation which is fairly likely for them in the next few years whatever shape the league looks. They could even be self serving and push for say 2 teams to come in each year for 3 years and in this time have no relegation. 

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And if hibs and hearts want colt teams in the league? Surely resistance would not just come from smaller clubs. Why would premier league teams stand back and let the old firm develop young players in ways not open to them as well? Hope this issue does not emerge again (beyond forum trolling) 

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16 hours ago, greendot said:

The last thing Queens want is a Gretna situation where there's a short term injection of cash, good times roll, then something happens, the funding isn't there and you're left with crippling debts (extreme i know) and I'm sure as a borad you wouldn't allow that to happen.

I totally agree, that's the last thing we want. That's why, unlike Gretna, one man doesn't own and fund our entire club.  Haughey isn't even on our committee., his donation is exclusively to fund our players' wages and we have a contract with him where he is committed to that for at least the next 8 years. The rest of the club's operations - youth set up, all other wages, etc  -are funded by what we currently have in the bank and what we can obviously generate going forward. Our overall finances were in healthy nick before Haughey's donation. The sale of Hampden has added to that pot, although a large chunk of that is paying for the redevelopment of Lesser Hampden. If we are unable to sustain a full time first team beyond Haughey's involvement then we'll revert to part-time. I''m not on the committee (board), just one of the fans/ members who elect our committee from within our membership. Going full time so soon did take me by surprise but I trust those who we have elected to run the club sensibly and prudently. At all the members' meetings I've attended, the talk from the floor was about aiming for the Championship. We'll see.

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9 minutes ago, true fan said:

And your point about old firm colts is ....... ?

They can get tae f**k.

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21 hours ago, Hampden Diehard said:

Win ten Scottish Cups, establish the game in your country, building a feckin massive stadium, and have a local rich guy take a liking to your club. It's that easy.

I hope it is that easy, and sustainable.

I have no idea of your funding arrangements but I do remember Mr Mileston of Gretna, and others involved say that the money was safe, even if he became ill - he did, and it wasn't.  A horrible situation for a club to end up in after all the promises and dreams.

I'm sure QP will be different though.

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Guessing its the same podcast that stirred this topic up again the other day?

In which is there any point listening to it as it'll be the usual regurgitated "pros" and cons. With some extra emphasis on it being great for the Lowland League/pyramid. 

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19 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Guessing its the same podcast that stirred this topic up again the other day?

Yip, being pushed by the same poster. Weird that.

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20 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

IF a feeder structure is established in the Highlands which additional teams might challenge for the league?  Banks? 

Assuming we use the normal Scottish football definition of “ambition” meaning ‘some c**t gives them a load of money’ then literally any of the Highland teams could challenge for the league.

Anyway, on topic, colts can f**k right off. A dreadful idea pursued exclusively by arseholes. As with quite a few others, I think I’d stop bothering with Scottish football if it happens, even though my club are unlikely to share a league with them.

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Old Firm: Spain have colt teams in their league. Maybe if we introduce colt teams we'll become good like they are.

Spain also have a 20 team top league and clubs play each other twice, should we do that too?

Old Firm: ......... nah.

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21 hours ago, Am Muilleach said:

I hope it is that easy, and sustainable.

I have no idea of your funding arrangements but I do remember Mr Mileston of Gretna, and others involved say that the money was safe, even if he became ill - he did, and it wasn't.  A horrible situation for a club to end up in after all the promises and dreams.

I'm sure QP will be different though.

Take it you didn't bother reading my post on this thread (a few posts before yours)  which explained them? 

You also made the same comparisons with Gretna in November on the Elgin v QP match thread and it was all explained to you back then

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20 hours ago, The Moonster said:

Yip, being pushed by the same poster. Weird that.

At least the poster has at last stopped pretending they're an Alloa fan.

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On 10/02/2021 at 08:46, true fan said:

And if hibs and hearts want colt teams in the league? Surely resistance would not just come from smaller clubs. Why would premier league teams stand back and let the old firm develop young players in ways not open to them as well? Hope this issue does not emerge again (beyond forum trolling) 

We have a situation where one team wanted the League rules changed for them to be able to withdraw from the first game of the season to play in friendlies or to go on winter trips. If two of them want something enough, they'll get their way.

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I think its a great idea much needed funds for L2 teams and will open up the pyramid system for ambitious LL & HL teams, the current format is heavily in favour of L2 teams happy to cling on to their league status, which for me needs to change.
I follow the HL but ultimately it will be LL and some current WOSL teams who will come to the fore if this proposal gets the go-ahead in the long term
Much needed funds? By losing 3 home games a season? Right....

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DESTROYED LOWER LEAGUE TEAMS WHEN "B" & C" DIVISION WAS AROUND. DISPITE SHIRE BEING REASONABLY GOOD CROWDS FELL AS FANS WANTED TO SEE REAL TEAMS & NOT RESERVE TEAMS. IF THE GRUESOME 2 SUM HAD THEIR WAY THERE FIRST TEAM WOULD BY IN EUROPEAN LGE / ENG PREMIER WHILE RESERVE IN SCO TIER 1. 

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Get this idea so far into the sea. Let’s talk about more promotion and relegation or whether bigger leagues are better or worse than smaller leagues. Colt teams can GTF and should be banned at every level of Senior Football, 1 club, 1 team. That goes for Stirling Uni and Stranraer too. We’ve finally got a pyramid up and running now we need to work out how to include the ERJFA (Tayside), North Juniors and NCL. Then we can look at what format is best and start raising any trap doors and glass ceilings so the clubs find their level.

Rangers and Celtic don’t give a shit about the Lower leagues or the Scottish National team and any Colt idea will be to benefit them. The crowds they claim are a myth look at the Challenge Cup attendances for proof. They’d happily leave the SPFL in a heartbeat if the EPL or a Euro league was an option.

Don’t drink the Old Firm Kool-Aid

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