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1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I don't think you get the point. Championship clubs looking to increase the division agree to support the introduction of reserve teams, in return the Premier League teams support the bigger second tier. Voting structure would allow both.

That wouldn’t get the vote through - if I recall correctly you also need 75% of the 42 clubs = 32

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2 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

That wouldn’t get the vote through - if I recall correctly you also need 75% of the 42 clubs = 32

Fair enough, but it would be a fair chunk of what they need and I'm sure a few more could be bought.

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Just now, Cowden Cowboy said:

They would have to convince 50% of the clubs who voted against in February to change their minds

I generally think the worst in these situations.

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https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/those-who-lead-anti-colt-16241447

How about raising the standard and numbers of coaches right through every level of the game, how about increasing access to high quality (free) football facilities for every child in Scotland, how about using the excellent development loan system and then how about Rangers and Celtic (because this is their baby) actually trusting youngsters to play in the first team? How that tit McCart can complain about people rejecting the colts pish when his club are trying to give Izaguirre a new 1 year deal rather than let a homegrown player be back up left back is beyond me.

The reason we’re doing none of the above by the way is because it costs money (and of course on the final point the OF are so fixated on 10 in a row/Going for 55 that medium to long term thinking goes out the window), Colts is a cheap way of pretending to do something radical for the good of Scottish football and even that’s a very generous assessment.

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2 hours ago, AllyMonc said:

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/those-who-lead-anti-colt-16241447

How about raising the standard and numbers of coaches right through every level of the game, how about increasing access to high quality (free) football facilities for every child in Scotland, how about using the excellent development loan system and then how about Rangers and Celtic (because this is their baby) actually trusting youngsters to play in the first team? How that tit McCart can complain about people rejecting the colts pish when his club are trying to give Izaguirre a new 1 year deal rather than let a homegrown player be back up left back is beyond me.

The reason we’re doing none of the above by the way is because it costs money (and of course on the final point the OF are so fixated on 10 in a row/Going for 55 that medium to long term thinking goes out the window), Colts is a cheap way of pretending to do something radical for the good of Scottish football and even that’s a very generous assessment.

 

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With the Highland League only having 17 teams due to Cove's promotion, they asked Banks O'Dee if they wanted to take Cove's place. They refused. So this could happen. Screenshot_20190523-125741.png

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With the Highland League only having 17 teams due to Cove's promotion, they asked Banks O'Dee if they wanted to take Cove's place. They refused. So this could happen. Screenshot_20190523-125741.thumb.png.c447a929f823b497e5cd4b1b43fc95ea.png

Could be a problem with SpFL rules re play off if ICT came in

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Apparently ICT are keen for just playing the teamswho doesn't have a game in friendlies.  Seems reasonable enough.  

I'm very against our Colts joining the HL.

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The Netherlands look to be implementing a Gentlemens agreement on youth players, stating that any club with an "elite" academy will not sign youth players from the rest.  Designed to stop Ajax/PSV hoovering up all young talent, giving other clubs the chance to develop good young players and potentially sell them on for good money. A progressive country getting together and coming to agreement and giving it time to work or fail.

What do we have here? Two teams frantically putting a new frock on the same old whore and sending her round the country in the hope someone will fling it up her, all the while ignoring the constant and unfaltering feedback of "we don't want to shag her m8".

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Scotland hasn't qualified for a major tournament since the creation of the greed is good SPL in 1998, coincidence or is still the fault of lower division Luddites?.

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The Netherlands look to be implementing a Gentlemens agreement on youth players, stating that any club with an "elite" academy will not sign youth players from the rest.  Designed to stop Ajax/PSV hoovering up all young talent, giving other clubs the chance to develop good young players and potentially sell them on for good money. A progressive country getting together and coming to agreement and giving it time to work or fail.
What do we have here? Two teams frantically putting a new frock on the same old whore and sending her round the country in the hope someone will fling it up her, all the while ignoring the constant and unfaltering feedback of "we don't want to shag her m8".
They have also started divvying up European club tournament cash to even out the domestic finances as they see a competitive league as being important. You can see Celtic jumping at that one.

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Scotland hasn't qualified for a major tournament since the creation of the greed is good SPL in 1998, coincidence or is still the fault of lower division Luddites?.
Forfar, Stenhousemuir, etc etc ..... Self-centred basterts.

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1 hour ago, Hampden Diehard said:
15 hours ago, The Moonster said:
The Netherlands look to be implementing a Gentlemens agreement on youth players, stating that any club with an "elite" academy will not sign youth players from the rest.  Designed to stop Ajax/PSV hoovering up all young talent, giving other clubs the chance to develop good young players and potentially sell them on for good money. A progressive country getting together and coming to agreement and giving it time to work or fail.
What do we have here? Two teams frantically putting a new frock on the same old whore and sending her round the country in the hope someone will fling it up her, all the while ignoring the constant and unfaltering feedback of "we don't want to shag her m8".

They have also started divvying up European club tournament cash to even out the domestic finances as they see a competitive league as being important. You can see Celtic jumping at that one.

Tbh, that only slightly compensates the Dutch league currently being the most unequal league in Europe in terms of how TV money is divided over the clubs.

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The Netherlands look to be implementing a Gentlemens agreement on youth players, stating that any club with an "elite" academy will not sign youth players from the rest.  Designed to stop Ajax/PSV hoovering up all young talent, giving other clubs the chance to develop good young players and potentially sell them on for good money. A progressive country getting together and coming to agreement and giving it time to work or fail.
What do we have here? Two teams frantically putting a new frock on the same old whore and sending her round the country in the hope someone will fling it up her, all the while ignoring the constant and unfaltering feedback of "we don't want to shag her m8".

They did already shoehorn Colts teams into their second tier, complete with a rule that they couldn't get relegated.

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39 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


They did already shoehorn Colts teams into their second tier, complete with a rule that they couldn't get relegated.

They're not perfect, but I believe discussions have started to end the colt teams over there (not sure if it was Marten on here who mentioned that). They don't seem to have a problem admitting when things don't work.

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On 07/05/2019 at 11:24, The Moonster said:

Nice idea but completely unworkable to cover all teams.  The governing body have essentially removed all youth development funding for part time clubs, some part time clubs doing away with their youth teams altogether because funding it is extremely difficult/nigh on impossible.  If they want all clubs to produce players then funding needs to be provided to all clubs. I would also argue that with the above ruling would mean MORE players are swallowed up by the big teams - if they actually need to play these kids then they'll need to make sure they've got ones good enough, that means signing more and seeing who comes through IMO.

I didn't really like the 8-8-8 split, but I do support bigger leagues. Are there any workable solutions/alternatives to doing that 8-8-8 split?

Take the point it is not perfect however I would have it in transit with other rules and support like 

- prize money/ sponsorship/ support distributions given on the requirement youth is invested in with the smaller teams supported

- completely scrap and start again with project brave where youth development is incentivised 

- maximum squad sizes and outbound loan rules to prevent the big teams swallowing up talent. Man C and Chelsea are examples of what should never have been allowed to happen in any nation with bloated squads and practically abusing loan markets. Rules can easily be put in place to stop this. 

The reality is this will never happen though because of the warped rules in this country which allow for the previously called ‘Old firm veto’   

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On 07/05/2019 at 11:24, The Moonster said:

Nice idea but completely unworkable to cover all teams.  The governing body have essentially removed all youth development funding for part time clubs, some part time clubs doing away with their youth teams altogether because funding it is extremely difficult/nigh on impossible.  If they want all clubs to produce players then funding needs to be provided to all clubs. I would also argue that with the above ruling would mean MORE players are swallowed up by the big teams - if they actually need to play these kids then they'll need to make sure they've got ones good enough, that means signing more and seeing who comes through IMO.

I didn't really like the 8-8-8 split, but I do support bigger leagues. Are there any workable solutions/alternatives to doing that 8-8-8 split?

I wasn’t a fan at all of the 8-8-8 either. I think it being tried twice and failed twice is a big alarm bell. For me it was also just a way to get new Rangers playing too flight teams quick as possible as well. 

I would love a bigger top flight but the SPFL are geared only to four Glasgow derby games a season 

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