DA Baracus Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 It doesn't matter how many fans a team has. It should be one vote per team, so Sevco and Celtic should have the same say on the game as Annan or Albion Rovers. On that basis, it would most likely be the vast majority of teams against the proposal with only Sevco, Celtic and a couple of foolish clubs swayed by the proposed bribes slipped to their board members for it. If we went with 'the majority' then pretty much anything Sevco and Celtic wanted to happen would, which sadly has happened all too often. The game isn't run for their benefit. It's funny that they cry about a conspiracy any time the slightest thing goes against them but then demand every single advantage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 You can chuck Motherwell into the mix for this by the way. They are right up for it and have had both the CEO and former youth coaches advocating the idea publicly to try to sway public opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, craigkillie said: You can chuck Motherwell into the mix for this by the way. They are right up for it and have had both the CEO and former youth coaches advocating the idea publicly to try to sway public opinion. Didn't take long for The CEO to adopt the establishment principles, if that's the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 It doesn't matter how many fans a team has. It should be one vote per team, so Sevco and Celtic should have the same say on the game as Annan or Albion Rovers. On that basis, it would most likely be the vast majority of teams against the proposal with only Sevco, Celtic and a couple of foolish clubs swayed by the proposed bribes slipped to their board members for it. If we went with 'the majority' then pretty much anything Sevco and Celtic wanted to happen would, which sadly has happened all too often. The game isn't run for their benefit. It's funny that they cry about a conspiracy any time the slightest thing goes against them but then demand every single advantage.But it isn't either of those voting systems that applies in the SPFL - given there is weighted voting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Didn't take long for The CEO to adopt the establishment principles, if that's the case.Not so sure they are still interested - beyond the Old Firm the idea now seems to have little traction 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: But it isn't either of those voting systems that applies in the SPFL - given there is weighted voting Really? That's very poor. What is the voting structure? Edited April 22, 2019 by DA Baracus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Not so sure they are still interested - beyond the Old Firm the idea now seems to have little traction Until I read that post I'd only heard positives about the guy. I hope he's not drawn into their deceit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Really? That's very poor. What is the voting structure? Top division teams get 3 or 4 votes then it gets reduced the further down you go....something like that bollocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Top division teams get 3 or 4 votes then it gets reduced the further down you go....something like that bollocks. That's a horrendous voting structure. Do all teams in the same league have the same number of voted though? I.e. do all Premiership teams have 3/4 votes, or do certain teams get more votes than others? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Really? That's very poor. What is the voting structure?Just the different majorities required to pass different things for example some things need 90% of Premier Clubs to support to pass even if every other club is in favour. Not that unusual - as the Premier clubs generate most of the SPFL's income. It is open to any club to win Premier League status of course. This is one of the problems re SFA Membership for ex-junior clubs - one club one vote in SFA means that influence of Premier and SPFL clubs could be reduced and indeed outvoted in the SFA. That is not something they are likely to meekly accept. Tail wags dog - again just a viewpoint not something I have brought down from the mount on tablets of stone. , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just now, Cowden Cowboy said: Just the different majorities required to pass different things for example some things need 90% of Premier Clubs to support to pass even if every other club is in favour. Not that unusual - as the Premier clubs generate most of the SPFL's income. It is open to any club to win Premier League status of course. This is one of the problems re SFA Membership for ex-junior clubs - one club one vote in SFA means that influence of Premier and SPFL clubs could be reduced and indeed outvoted in the SFA. That is not something they are likely to meekly accept. Tail wags dog - again just a viewpoint not something I have brought down from the mount on tablets of stone. , Thanks. I think that's a rotten structure, and it really should be 1 vote per club. Sadly doesn't seem like it will change any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Thanks. I think that's a rotten structure, and it really should be 1 vote per club. Sadly doesn't seem like it will change any time soon.To bring the SPL and SFL back together there had to be compromise on all sides. It was like the Good Friday agreement! There were upsides and downsides for all the clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: If we went with 'the majority' then pretty much anything Sevco and Celtic wanted to happen would, which sadly has happened all too often. The game isn't run for their benefit. Really? If Berwick were appealing against a suspension would the hearing be brought forward to ensure that regardless of the outcome the player would be available for a crucial match? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Really? If Berwick were appealing against a suspension would the hearing be brought forward to ensure that regardless of the outcome the player would be available for a crucial match?If you're referring to Brown, he's not appealing against anything because he hasn't been punished for anything. His hearing is being held more than three weeks after the incident occurred as it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, craigkillie said: If you're referring to Brown, he's not appealing against anything because he hasn't been punished for anything. His hearing is being held more than three weeks after the incident occurred as it is. Okay, not an appeal but the hearing has been moved. But look at the picture - the man is a fucking thug. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Okay, not an appeal but the hearing has been moved. But look at the picture - the man is a fucking thug. Fucking thug = "Celtic legend". He is an absolute bellend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 The success of the Dutch youth system* is due to a number of factors. Coaching, better training structures, better youth structures across Dutch football, non-league clubs working with local league clubs and so on. Copying the "colt team" side of the Dutch youth structure and nothing else is basically copying the least important part of the structure. A number of Dutch clubs are pulling their colt teams out of the pyramid system as they claim it's not having the desired effect. The whole proposal is madness and if it ever goes ahead, it should be part of a large scale reform, on it's own it will never work. *I know the Dutch national team have been horrible in recent years and in club results Ajax' run is clearly exceptional, but I'm talking about the long term, over the last few decades. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Marten said: The success of the Dutch youth system* is due to a number of factors. Coaching, better training structures, better youth structures across Dutch football, non-league clubs working with local league clubs and so on. Copying the "colt team" side of the Dutch youth structure and nothing else is basically copying the least important part of the structure. A number of Dutch clubs are pulling their colt teams out of the pyramid system as they claim it's not having the desired effect. The whole proposal is madness and if it ever goes ahead, it should be part of a large scale reform, on it's own it will never work. *I know the Dutch national team have been horrible in recent years and in club results Ajax' run is clearly exceptional, but I'm talking about the long term, over the last few decades. Agree. We don't have a sensible plan. We just seem to copy something from other nations because they have a little bit of success. Two German teams reach the Champions League final and all of a sudden we think we should copy whatever they do. Too many dinosaurs involved. What hope did we have when the likes of Strachan had an input. According to him we should pick kids based on their height, not ability. Re the Dutch team. They finished 2nd and 3rd in two of the last three World Cups, made the finals of one of the last two Euro's and are in the semi finals of the Nation's League in a few months. Better than most other nations in the last nine years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 On 22/04/2019 at 13:28, Cowden Cowboy said: Not so sure they are still interested - beyond the Old Firm the idea now seems to have little traction Thankfully the rest of Scottish football can see the "balanced view" you were trying to put across as the complete and utter nonsense it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Thankfully the rest of Scottish football can see the "balanced view" you were trying to put across as the complete and utter nonsense it is. Or maybe they got the feedback from folks like me that showed them the downsides from various other perspectives and provided fresh insight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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