SLClyde Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, A Believer said: I know this thread starts with 'Old Firm', but could we take off the Anti-OF Seethe goggles. What about thinking about what would be good for OUR young players, rather than fixating on countering what the OF may or may not be up to. Let’s be honest, this is being pushed because rangers and Celtic think it would benefit them. Nobody else. The SFA are absolutely spineless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Believer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Lol. With evidence and sources, talk us through that. We would all like to hear more. I'm not entirely getting your point, however I'm asking for suggestions of what you /anyone on this thread think would be better, to improve the lack of players progressing from u20's to 1st team: other than allegedly OF inspired division 3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Believer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 How about playing them in an u20s/reserve league, loaning more of them out, or actually giving them a chance rather than fielding so many “experienced” or foreign talents in their place?Ridiculous suggestions, I know.Works for me. Now, let's get an SFA Policy in place....[emoji106] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, A Believer said: Works for me. Now, let's get an SFA Policy in place.... Which would be one step to a solution, but it's crystal clear that the SFA have not only been the enablers of these abuses from the two mutual-interest clubs, from almost their inception, but very often the orchestrators. Common sense approaches are foreign concepts in administrative circles not just in our football but in just about every authority in the land as it is. Bearing in mind that this idea simply just isn't going away, it's a fair certainty that it will happen eventually. Shorn TV deals, and the continuation of ill-conceived sponsorship from betting firms preying on the weak and stupid of society, until Poundland and Provident are seen as good bids for one or more of them, are very powerful and effective tools in driving down revenues, forcing alternatives to be found. They WILL get their way. Edited January 3, 2019 by Officer Barbrady 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 ...just like they did on moving to the Premiership? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...just like they did on moving to the Premiership? Can you say with a straight face that every action since the last "no" they received to that, has not been done to be geared towards resurrecting talks on this? Even the liquidation of Rangers FC could easily be seen as a risky attempt to significantly reduce incomes, with the long-term view of forcing through any agenda even in the face of a 40-2 (or whichever numbers are allowed to vote now) majority. Would you have put THAT past the two of them, with the SFA a dolly plaything to be manipulated into delivering? All it takes is the slightest ray of light under the door becoming visible and they'll get what they want, somehow. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 So initially there will be 4 colt sides in ‘league three’ but if this bollocks idea is somehow deemed a success will they then flood the league system with other colt sides?They haven’t even given the reintroduction of the reserve league time to bed in again before suggesting something that will completely destroy the game outside of the top tier in the off chance of developing a player or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 One of two things going on here. Either this is dead, and Celtic are going to make Shamrock a proxy-Colt side - albeit one playing abroad. Or it's all a bluff to try and force the SPFL into shoehorning this through. https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/0104/1020258-celtic-eyeing-up-investment-in-shamrock-rovers/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ross Forbes said: One of two things going on here. Either this is dead, and Celtic are going to make Shamrock a proxy-Colt side - albeit one playing abroad. Or it's all a bluff to try and force the SPFL into shoehorning this through. https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/0104/1020258-celtic-eyeing-up-investment-in-shamrock-rovers/ Proof that Celtic have zero interest in benefiting Scottish football as a whole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLClyde Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Anyone who thinks rangers and Celtic are out to benefit Scottish football needs their head checking. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, GordonD said: Proof that Celtic have zero interest in benefiting Scottish football as a whole. Good let them play around with someone elses league, in a roundabout way it might give them a chance to emulate the other cheek & win the Challenge Cup if we still have Irish entrants next year Wonder if the next idea will be to get their full time womens team into the league system to boost our ladies national teams chance to win the World Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The man with no name Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, peternapper said: Good let them play around with someone elses league, in a roundabout way it might give them a chance to emulate the other cheek & win the Challenge Cup if we still have Irish entrants next year Wonder if the next idea will be to get their full time womens team into the league system to boost our ladies national teams chance to win the World Cup. David Goodwillie may stay longer at Clyde then...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The man with no name Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, You Only Live Twice said: You should really check your patter into rehab mate, it’s in some nick I know who should be in the nick! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 That isn't even up for debate given the shenanigans of completely rewriting their own rules 6/7 years ago!The result of which means that the bigger sides can do exactly as they like. There is effectively hee haw voting power for the bottom two divisions, so they will have whatever the big sides have in mind foisted upon them. As an aside, the rest of the teams can kiss their chances for loan signings goodbye. That's one for them to think about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, GordonD said: Proof that Celtic have zero interest in benefiting Scottish football as a whole. And why should they? They're a team, a business, a global franchise all of their own. It's the shitebags they have in their pay at Hampden you want to be concerned with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Officer Barbrady said: And why should they? They're a team, a business, a global franchise all of their own. Wasn't that the whole point of the Colts thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, GordonD said: Wasn't that the whole point of the Colts thing? Depending on which way you mean, yes and no. Leaving a footprint in Scotland of course was always likely to be a condition of any departure. But the SPFL have moved heaven and Earth to promote the benefits of both Colt teams and cross-border competition using the very guinea-pigs they plan to slice right up the middle, of course via the Irn Bru Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Celtic might be backing away from the idea as they are looking to buy a majority in Shamrock Rovers. Part of the deal would see players getting loaned out there. I might be wrong as LOI is a summer leaguehttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-in-talks-over-investing-13811032 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 03/01/2019 at 10:16, cmontheloknow said: Age sides and reserves exist to provide the one or two with genuine potential with team mates. The rest will find their level downwards. None of these proposals will significantly alter that as talent (and having the wherewithall to make the most of it) is IMO nature more than nurture. A player that is born a grafter will make more of limited talent than a born-lazy but slightly more gifted player. Better training and coaching will help players make the most of what they have but it won't turn the donkey into a racehorse. I agree, but there are racehorses out there. They are generally ignored and the focus is on the donkeys who are stronger or bigger instead of encouraging the racehorses. Usually because the coaches cannot see what's obvious in front of them. When you have the likes of Strachan saying we are too small in height and build, then what hope is there. Nothing has changed over the years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, PELE said: I agree, but there are racehorses out there. They are generally ignored and the focus is on the donkeys who are stronger or bigger instead of encouraging the racehorses. Usually because the coaches cannot see what's obvious in front of them. When you have the likes of Strachan saying we are too small in height and build, then what hope is there. Nothing has changed over the years. But the colts being shoved into L2/3 won't be fixing that as it's all about how the game is played here. The technically gifted ball players aren't going to flourish on heavy pitches in the lower leagues though they may learn how to ride a tackle! Big guys are good for set pieces at either end and they can win games. Win the physical battle and you're halfway to victory. I watched both legs of Aberdeen v Burnley at the start of the season and it was as clear as night and day the difference in size between the teams. Burnley had some good players but Aberdeen outshone them (IMO) in the technical department. The bigger, stronger team won through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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