Shanner Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, BumbleBeeBlastie said: Wait a minute did Bonnyrigg not just play a round at home to championship team ??? So kind of odd they aren't allowed this one at home to championship team no matter who it is they are playing give them the home tie. Whatever capacity is and get on with it. We really are the laughing stock of world football how we are run. It's become an embarrassment It makes perfect sense to host the match in an arena where the demand for tickets can be satisfied. Football is a spectator sport after all. As pointed out, this tie will have far greater interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumbleBeeBlastie Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, wingnut said: I see your point Bumble but Hibs at Dundas Park imo wouldn't be adequate crowd wise for health and safety among other obstacles. Hibs average away support is 1200 this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, BumbleBeeBlastie said: Hibs average away support is 1200 this season Bumble this is just like a home tie for Hibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Red Rose said: The only significant thing here is that you are shitting it about another defeat at Tynecastle. We will play you and beat you anywhere that the SFA see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 12 hours ago, Red Rose said: The only significant thing here is that you are shitting it about another defeat at Tynecastle. We will play you and beat you anywhere that the SFA see fit. That's the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Prince Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 The only significant thing here is that you are shitting it about another defeat at Tynecastle. We will play you and beat you anywhere that the SFA see fit. You wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Albion Rovers apparently may see their tie moved for police or H/S reasons - real or imagined - whereas so far the only comments from Bonnyrigg have been about moving it to get a bigger crowd and accordingly make more money. If it isn't possible to play it at NDP for police or H/S reasons then obviously it will have to be moved and the question is simply where to go. It becomes a more sensitive area if the SFA do give permission to move a tie to get a bigger crowd and make more money, because it would potentially set a precedent for the future. Every time the OF got drawn away to a lower-league or non-league team... and also the likes of Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts and Hibs in certain parts of the country... it could be in the financial interests of the host club to move it to another venue. Berwick can accommodate about 4,000 at Shielfield but could be better off playing such a game in Edinburgh. That would change the cup's ethos - and reduce the chance of shocks - which is why it wouldn't be a decision taken lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm with HibeeJibee on this one. It sets an awkward precedent if clubs can move simply to increase their gate. If a tie needs to be moved for health and safety or policing issues, then the the SFA's compromise of nearest appropriate ground is reasonable. Forres Mechanics managed to host Sevco a few years back, a tie which they could've moved to Inverness. If New Dundas Park can be appropriately segregated and is deemed by the authorities to be safe to host the game, then the tie should be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumbleBeeBlastie Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, wingnut said: Bumble this is just like a home tie for Hibs Well aware of that mate I just find it a sad day you can be in a cup but not have your big day at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Exactly, why would Bonnyrigg want to give up home advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skint clint Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 If this game gets moved to Tynie, Bonnyrigg will take in the region of 4/5 thousand. Maybe a bit less at meadowbank. Hearts played at murryfield in Europe and a bit further down south spurs used Wembley to accommodate supporters who want to go to the game. If Bonnyrigg can negotiate with hearts and they agree then where's the problem? Bonnyrigg make money, hibs make money and so does hearts. It's like there's a fat cat sitting in hampden waiting for a back hander to give the ok. Footballs corrupt at every level, always someone with there hand out for doing nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, skint clint said: If this game gets moved to Tynie, Bonnyrigg will take in the region of 4/5 thousand. Maybe a bit less at meadowbank. Hearts played at murryfield in Europe and a bit further down south spurs used Wembley to accommodate supporters who want to go to the game. If Bonnyrigg can negotiate with hearts and they agree then where's the problem? Bonnyrigg make money, hibs make money and so does hearts. It's like there's a fat cat sitting in hampden waiting for a back hander to give the ok. Footballs corrupt at every level, always someone with there hand out for doing nothing Hearts used Murrayfield because Tynecastle's pitch doesn't meet UEFA regulations and Tottenham used Wembley because preliminary work on the redevelopment of White Hart Lane meant that various backroom facilities were out of action and, again, not meeting UEFA standards. As I said before, moving the game to increase the gate sets a worrying precedent that clubs can move games purely on financial grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 55 minutes ago, BumbleBeeBlastie said: Well aware of that mate I just find it a sad day you can be in a cup but not have your big day at home Pretty sure Bonnyrigg can have their big day at home if they want it, isn't it them asking for it to be moved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skint clint Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Hearts used Murrayfield because Tynecastle's pitch doesn't meet UEFA regulations and Tottenham used Wembley because preliminary work on the redevelopment of White Hart Lane meant that various backroom facilities were out of action and, again, not meeting UEFA standards. As I said before, moving the game to increase the gate sets a worrying precedent that clubs can move games purely on financial grounds. Maybe you could research it for me but was the attendances larger than what tynecastle or white hart lane respectively hold? Plus what's your problem in a team trying to gain some funds to maybe improve the facilities in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumbleBeeBlastie Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 43 minutes ago, The Grass Is Greener. said: Pretty sure Bonnyrigg can have their big day at home if they want it, isn't it them asking for it to be moved? Then. Why is half the folk on here saying there park not ok for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 A few years back when we drew the deid Rangers in the League Cup we moved the game to East End Park to increase the revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 hours ago, BumbleBeeBlastie said: Well aware of that mate I just find it a sad day you can be in a cup but not have your big day at home Fair play mate but it's all about health & safety,just back fae Bonnyrigg game and no further forward as to where the game will be played,hopefully sorted out middle of the week,we're all want Tynie but out of our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, wingnut said: Fair play mate but it's all about health & safety,just back fae Bonnyrigg game and no further forward as to where the game will be played,hopefully sorted out middle of the week,we're all want Tynie but out of our hands. Welcome back Wingnut. Is that you just recovered from the great result in midweek!? Anyway I agree that match should be played at Tynecastle Talk of Keeping game at NDP or playing at Ainslie Park or Meadowbank seem silly to me. A few years ago, Whilehill Welfare got their Scottish Cup tie against Celtic switched to Easter Road. Common sense approach then, so let's hope common sense applies again this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 hours ago, skint clint said: Maybe you could research it for me but was the attendances larger than what tynecastle or white hart lane respectively hold? I'm sure you could google it yourself. My gut feeling says probably yes. 2 hours ago, skint clint said: Plus what's your problem in a team trying to gain some funds to maybe improve the facilities in the future? I do feel that a club's home ground should be the first option - if it is suitable. I don't have an issue with clubs changing ground if their own ground isn't adequate for the fixture on heath and safety or policing grounds (although for some clubs, not Bonnyrigg, obviously, this shouldn't be an excuse for not spending on facilities). If New Dundas Park isn't deemed suitable, then the game should be moved. I am ambivalent about where this should be, Tynecastle or otherwise, but I do think that the SFA's stance is reasonable. I'm sure the Rose will do well financially out of the game, whatever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Fifer said: A few years back when we drew the deid Rangers in the League Cup we moved the game to East End Park to increase the revenue. Indeed - 2007. Which caused a stushie within SPL/SFL, IIRC - and hasn't been repeated since, tbf. Whitehill v Celtic going to ER in 1996 was (IIRC) the last time a Scottish Cup tie was moved until the recent cases with Albion Rovers and East Kilbride. In the interim the likes of Forres have hosted Rangers... Spartans hosted Livingston + St Mirren on the grass banks of City Park... Linlithgow + Threave hosted Raith... Deveronvale + Culter have hosted Partick... Huntly hosted Dundee... Cove hosted Ross County... Inverurie hosted Motherwell... Irvine Meadow hosted Livingston. As I say though - if it can't be played at NDP for safety reasons then Meadowbank or Tynecastle wouldn't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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