thelegendthatis Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Bonnyrigg are clearly keen to use Tynecastle for their 'home' tie against Hibs. Hearts are happy to provide the ground and no doubt all the security and infrastructure. I am sure Tynecastle would sell out. So what do the SFA say? http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/bonnyrigg-rose-hoping-sfa-will-grant-their-tynecastle-wish-1-4311711 Spartans for God's sake? Same capacity as at Bonnyrigg, if not less, only totally soulness. A terrible place to watch any game. As a main board director of the SFA I would guess Tom Johnstone is doing everything in his power to influence the decision to ensure Bonnyrigg can maximise both their exposure to a wider audience and their income from the Hibs game. It can also be a significant showcase for junior football. Come on Tom, pop along the corridor and speak with your chums who can make good things happen for the junior game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Only in the echelons of the sfa would you get a reply like that[emoji85] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 "The SFA have been on the phone and they said it would be the ground nearest both teams,” Bonnyrigg secretary Robert Dickson told the Evening News. “I mentioned Tynecastle, which would be the favourable choice for everyone in terms of size, policing, access, car parking and transport. They said one of the options would be Spartans, and I was surprised by that. If it’s going to be Spartans, we’d be as well keeping it at Bonnyrigg because there would be no difference in the crowd. There’s been talk of Livingston as well, but that’s through west and it’s not so convenient." If it can be played at Bonnyrigg - why is there any talk of moving it? Games have sometimes moved for police or safety reasons (some of which have sounded a bit convenient); but it will be a new precedent if a game can move simply for a bigger crowd to make more money. SFA permission is needed for qualifiers to play at home from R4 but it's previously been granted to Bo'ness and Linlithgow. Worth saying that the rules say a dislocated tie should be played at the "nearest members ground of equivalent capacity" which will be where Spartans, Meadowbank etc. originates. However this has been interpreted fairly liberally at times. EDIT: Incidentally - "soul-less" or otherwise - Ainslie Park has held 3,200 before which is a bit more than NDP from what I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Be nice for both clubs to get a day out at a Premiership ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac25 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 given Hibs most recent Scottish cup game no one will want a repeat of any of the 'exuberant' scenes from that day!Bo'ness and linlithgow both hosted smaller sides and are easier able to segregate their grounds. Even if Bonnyrigg could try to keep the hub's fans coming in from Dundas St and on to the grass banking there would be no where to put catering vans or toilet's unless they were driven over the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 28 minutes ago, calmac25 said: given Hibs most recent Scottish cup game no one will want a repeat of any of the 'exuberant' scenes from that day! Bo'ness and linlithgow both hosted smaller sides and are easier able to segregate their grounds. Even if Bonnyrigg could try to keep the hub's fans coming in from Dundas St and on to the grass banking there would be no where to put catering vans or toilet's unless they were driven over the pitch? If a ground capacity can't be kept, and therefore the game can't be played safely at NDP... though I doubt hordes of ticketless Hibs fans would converge on Midlothian... then clearly it will have to be moved somewhere else. That happened with EK v Celtic last season - they wanted to use K-Park but police said no. However, the Bonnyrigg official quoted says that if SFA said they could move it from NDP but only to somewhere like Spartans, then "we'd be as well keeping it at Bonnyrigg because there would be no difference in the crowd": that's what makes it a more significant decision as historically the SFA haven't let clubs move ties that could be at home, for financial gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I understand that precedents have been set beforehand but FFS there is only good in giving Bonnyrigg the chance to earn some extra cash. this is part of what the cup is about. There is about 0% chance of there being any trouble at this match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackD1908 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It's been a few years since I've been to Ainslie Park, and I was at Bonnyrigg for our Scottish cup tie last season. Surely there can't be too much difference in capacity if any? Hopefully Bonnyrigg get what they want. Would be good to take this game in if Pollok aren't playing/game is called of that weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 5 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: If a ground capacity can't be kept, and therefore the game can't be played safely at NDP... though I doubt hordes of ticketless Hibs fans would converge on Midlothian... then clearly it will have to be moved somewhere else. That happened with EK v Celtic last season - they wanted to use K-Park but police said no. However, the Bonnyrigg official quoted says that if SFA said they could move it from NDP but only to somewhere like Spartans, then "we'd be as well keeping it at Bonnyrigg because there would be no difference in the crowd": that's what makes it a more significant decision as historically the SFA haven't let clubs move ties that could be at home, for financial gain. The only significant thing here is that you are shitting it about another defeat at Tynecastle. We will play you and beat you anywhere that the SFA see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS7 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Why not just read the rules? they are straightforward: bonnyrigg first of all start the process by informing the sfa they cannot host the tie. the sfa board decide on the closest ground of a similar capacity. the complicating matter here is whether bonnyrigg are subject to the same rules as full sfa members in relation to their ground compliance. If they aren't - and I suspect they aren't - they must respect the fact they are in the competition as invitees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, BS7 said: Why not just read the rules? they are straightforward: bonnyrigg first of all start the process by informing the sfa they cannot host the tie. the sfa board decide on the closest ground of a similar capacity. the complicating matter here is whether bonnyrigg are subject to the same rules as full sfa members in relation to their ground compliance. If they aren't - and I suspect they aren't - they must respect the fact they are in the competition as invitees. What are the ground compliance rules for entering the Scottish Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, BS7 said: Why not just read the rules? they are straightforward: bonnyrigg first of all start the process by informing the sfa they cannot host the tie. the sfa board decide on the closest ground of a similar capacity. the complicating matter here is whether bonnyrigg are subject to the same rules as full sfa members in relation to their ground compliance. If they aren't - and I suspect they aren't - they must respect the fact they are in the competition as invitees. Jealousy is really strong here. Invitees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS7 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Rose said: Jealousy is really strong here. Invitees. You've missed the point - I've been watching bonnyrigg for 40 years & and I've read the sfa rules. the ground compliance is interesting in that whatever the rules are, bonnyrigg weren't subject to them to gain entry to the Scottish cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Red Rose said: The only significant thing here is that you are shitting it about another defeat at Tynecastle. We will play you and beat you anywhere that the SFA see fit. Bold prediction. Might happen of course, bigger shocks have happened. Incidentally - Hibs last few games at Tynecastle have been wins and draws. If the game has to be moved then personally I don't see a problem with Tynecastle (or indeed Meadowbank), btw; although obviously the rules should be applied equally to everyone. Certainly more logical than Livingston which is neither anything like nearest nor anything like an equivalent capacity. However, I do hope every opportunity is made to play the game at NDP - which would probably benefit Bonnyrigg slightly on the pitch - as the Scottish Cup is all about this type of tie. It's part of the ethos for the professional teams to face tricky ties in unfamiliar venues, and I'd also be concerned about any tendencies creeping in of moving ties for money. If it's not possible to host it at NDP for safety reasons then fine, and another venue in the city will no doubt suffice. (Unless for sh*ts and giggles they sent you to Rosewell ...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS7 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Fwiw I hope it goes ahead at ndp too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, BS7 said: You've missed the point - I've been watching bonnyrigg for 40 years & and I've read the sfa rules. the ground compliance is interesting in that whatever the rules are, bonnyrigg weren't subject to them to gain entry to the Scottish cup You've been reading the rules so what are they? I'm pretty sure lowland teams were playing in the same competition this year. It would be odd for all of us to play in a competition with rules we didn't comply to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db11 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Are Albion Rovers not having same issue with Celtic? There doesn't seem to be same issue with them moving to a larger venue. Pretty sure common sense will prevail. Ramming 3000 into ndp, is not a sensible option, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BumbleBeeBlastie Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Wait a minute did Bonnyrigg not just play a round at home to championship team ??? So kind of odd they aren't allowed this one at home to championship team no matter who it is they are playing give them the home tie. Whatever capacity is and get on with it. We really are the laughing stock of world football how we are run. It's become an embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db11 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Dumbarton had a travelling support of a couple of hundred. Hibs will be many thousands How come Albion Rovers can change their game to a bigger venue, but it seems to be a problem for Bonnyrigg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I see your point Bumble but Hibs at Dundas Park imo wouldn't be adequate crowd wise for health and safety among other obstacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.