Zetterlund Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 If only those propaganda sites listed earlier put out legitimate news like our mainstream publications. If it wasn't for them we'd never have known about Putin's nefarious plan to unleash giant mutant Antarctic squid on the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I don't think anyone has ever tried to suggest that the Express was a bastion of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 On 27/11/2016 at 11:02, LongTimeLurker said: Did they tell us that Saddam had WMDs? Can't remember ever reading anything from Breitbart, but if Milo Yiannopolus is involved it can't be all bad Governments told us that Saddam had still active weapons of mass destruction programs. It the the liberal left and left of center media that tended to run against this story, The Guardian, The Independent and The Mirror. Milo Yiannopolus is from the George Galloway\ Melanie Philips schools of social commentary where the objective is to make a point in as inflammatory a way as possible while claiming to be merely speaking truth to power and being martyred for it. Simply because he is saying something you agree with does not make him a worthwhile commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Who gets to define "worthwhile"? There should be a marketplace of ideas and people should have easy access to them. A couple of decades back the mainstream media had a complete stranglehold over that and could act as gatekeepers to silence voices that were awkward for the establishment. RT has its biases like any other news outlet but I don't mind being able to hear what someone like Slavoj Zizek makes of Donald Trump: or Fidel Castro: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Russia Today absolutely is an unreliable source of news. It is a state controlled propaganda machine without the institutional independence of essentially any public service broadcaster in Europe. People who rely on alternative news sources, by which we really mean "bollocks" news sources, and who regard them as more reliable or balanced than mainstream news sources like the BBC, The Times, The Guardian and Channel Four, shouldn't be allowed to vote. They are less well informed than someone who lived in a cave on a desert island from birth, with zero communication with the outside world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: Russia Today absolutely is an unreliable source of news. It is a state controlled propaganda machine without the institutional independence of essentially any public service broadcaster in Europe. People who rely on alternative news sources, by which we really mean "bollocks" news sources, and who regard them as more reliable or balanced than mainstream news sources like the BBC, The Times, The Guardian and Channel Four, shouldn't be allowed to vote. They are less well informed than someone who lived in a cave on a desert island from birth, with zero communication with the outside world. Remarkable and disturbing state of affairs when those actually involved in politics on this site are as deluded and easily persuaded by propaganda as your average school child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Because the BBC wouldn't lie to you..... their honesty during the Iraq War was up there with the standards of Fox News. Can't compete with honesty like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 The BBC and rt are literally identical, except rt has higher quality more informative programmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Cream Cheese said: Because the BBC wouldn't lie to you..... their honesty during the Iraq War was up there with the standards of Fox News. Can't compete with honesty like that. You mean the BBC who accused Downing Street of sexing up the intelligence about WMD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You mean the BBC who accused Downing Street of sexing up the intelligence about WMD? Only took them over a decade to get around to that. They were well on board with the lies when the massacres were actually occurring. It's like when they out a paedophile for crimes XX amount of years ago, but only after they're either staring death in the face or already are dead. (Got to maintain the illusion of impartiality) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cream Cheese said: Only took them over a decade to get around to that. They were well on board with the lies when the massacres were actually occurring. It's like when they out a paedophile for crimes XX amount of years ago, but only after they're either staring death in the face or already are dead. (Got to maintain the illusion of impartiality) Wrong, May 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Wrong, May 2003. Can't say I have any recollection of this. If they did, then it was sure swept under the rug fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, Cream Cheese said: Can't say I have any recollection of this. If they did, then it was sure swept under the rug fast. Hardly, the Chairman and Director General ended up resigning over it. It was massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Ad Lib said: Russia Today absolutely is an unreliable source of news. It is a state controlled propaganda machine without the institutional independence of essentially any public service broadcaster in Europe.... Says someone who has probably never even bothered to watch any of their programming before forming an opinion like that. Definitely wouldn't trust them on Ukraine and Chechnya or anything like that but there are other parts of the world like the Middle East and the Balkans where they tend to provide a more balanced picture than western news outlets do and hence have programming that is well worth a look from time to time. Al Jazeera's often not bad as well despite Qatar not being a democracy, and I think most people are well aware of what their likely biases are when watching and would not expect the most balanced picture available of the Gulf states and Israel. As for "instutional independence", if that leads to Jimmy Saville then maybe questions should be asked about whether the BBC's corporate culture is really as wonderful as we are always told it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AUFC90 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Russia Today absolutely is an unreliable source of news. It is a state controlled propaganda machine without the institutional independence of essentially any public service broadcaster in Europe. People who rely on alternative news sources, by which we really mean "bollocks" news sources, and who regard them as more reliable or balanced than mainstream news sources like the BBC, The Times, The Guardian and Channel Four, shouldn't be allowed to vote. They are less well informed than someone who lived in a cave on a desert island from birth, with zero communication with the outside world. Smart people like to get all sides of the story but then smart people wouldn't think for a minute that the BBC is balanced and reliable so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They also air stuff like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 While there's no question the BBC has its biases - as by necessity all editorialised news coverage does - anything broadcast by RT can be safely ignored. Anything "quality" on there will be found elsewhere. There's nothing Zizek (I always want to type Zizou) says there that wasn't broadcast on Channel 4 News with a more discerning interviewer, for example. You don't need to resort to anti-semitic conspiracy theory nonsense. By picking and choosing news coverage along with specialist media sources, anyone with the capacity for abstract thought is quite capable of seeing the trees despite the woods. Fact is though, many people who want "impartial" news also want the biases, hence folk decrying the BBC but also buying The National. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 01/12/2016 at 20:58, Zetterlund said: If only those propaganda sites listed earlier put out legitimate news like our mainstream publications. If it wasn't for them we'd never have known about Putin's nefarious plan to unleash giant mutant Antarctic squid on the West. It's true. Here's a battle illustration of what one of these weapons will look like: Thankfully, we in the West are developing Combat Dolphin's to fight this menace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 KIROV REPORTING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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