Globalisation & Neoliberalism

[invergowrie arab]

As an 18 year old full of beans and spunk i became actively involved in politics expressly to fight globalisation and neoliberalism.

I never dreamed that 15 years later it would be hanging by a thread, we would have left the EU, we would be looking towards a non-interventionist military agenda but that it came not from a populist movement of the Left but of the right.

Is there a left wing alternative or a left wing way of co-opting that system that could retain freedom of movement, economic development in emerging economies and keeping the likes of us in the manner to which we are accustomed?

Or is it simply the case that what manifested itself in the UK as New Labour/ Wet Tory consensus of the the last 20 years was the least shite system?

[Peppino Impastato]

The left bottled it globally as left parties were dragged so far to the right by cretins like jmo and berwickmad who scream about electability,  this has shown that sanders could have won and so could corbyn.   They'll never back him though as they're cretins who don't even have left views and are horrified when confronted with them.  That's why you get weapons like dugdale calling herself a socialist,  and the labour party abstaining en masse on things like welfare reform, trident ad Yemen last week.  The left needs to grow some balls and unashamedly promote left wing values and policies , not pander to swing voters requiring them to dilute their very essence on the altar of electability, which,  as it turns out isn't even electable anyway and the values they are running away from in horror are electable and would engender real positive change. 

[invergowrie arab]

I knew it was JMO's fault, even when they said it was the bears i knew it was JMO

[THE KING]

27 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

As an 18 year old full of beans and spunk

Jist like yer maw

[Peppino Impastato]

Jmo is a typical example of the type that has destroyed the left due to his very narrow centre right views and evangelical belief his type and his type alone are right,  new we're all familiar with,  not him personally he didn't do it all himself.   Realistically labour should expel, ostracise or ignore, people like that,  he is a soft tory n terms of values.  The left abandoned it's true base which is poor people,  that's who they are supposed to represent. 

[Jambomo]

I think the problem with the neoliberal ideal is that is has really shrunk the power and ability of the state to actually control things.

Things such as the banking failure shows that we have allowed corporate activities to become the only thing that matters - we couldn't let them fail when their business model goes bust, but by bailing them out we retain the risk and costs of failure yet get little of the profits or success.

Voting now has less and less real impact, because there is less and less things that governments can influence, change and protect us from.

[invergowrie arab]

When Labour abandoned economic leftism for an exclusive focus on cultural leftism working people suddenly became the problem.

[BillyAnchor]

8 minutes ago, THE KING said:

Jist like yer maw

Wid

[Peppino Impastato]

Exactly,  new labour are the ones who championed light touch regulation, well, they were fucking wrong there weren't they

[Hillonearth]

I get the feeling what we're seeing, certainly in the UK is the consequence of the drift towards consensus between the major parties - for most of the last couple of decades they've become more and more clustered in the centre with virtually nothing to choose between them bar which leader has the smartest suit and neatest haircut.

Moreover, a lot of people seem to enter politics these days with no real sense of ideological conviction or vocation; whereas previously feeling strongly about certain issues might be the trigger to enter political life, nowadays in all parties there seem to be a lot of politics graduates who'll want to see the numbers before deciding their stance on a subject.

 

 

[ICTChris]

As an 18 year old full of beans and spunk i became actively involved in politics expressly to fight globalisation and neoliberalism.

I never dreamed that 15 years later it would be hanging by a thread, we would have left the EU, we would be looking towards a non-interventionist military agenda but that it came not from a populist movement of the Left but of the right.

Is there a left wing alternative or a left wing way of co-opting that system that could retain freedom of movement, economic development in emerging economies and keeping the likes of us in the manner to which we are accustomed?

Or is it simply the case that what manifested itself in the UK as New Labour/ Wet Tory consensus of the the last 20 years was the least shite system?

Some of the things people don't like about Neo-Liberalism and globalisation are the things that you like about them. I don't know about least-shite system but we might miss it when it's gone. Peter Hitchens is off his rocker in a hundred ways but he's actually quite right when he calls Cameron a Blairite. Really since the 1992 Electon Britain has been run by centrists, some inclining to the Right (Major and Caneron) and others inclining to the Left (Blair and Brown). The idea that you have a healthy growing, relatively unencumbered market economy and use that money to invest in public services has been dominant for the last two decades, including within Scotland. It's tweaked here and there depending on who implements it but that's the consensus.

Trumpism appears as though it'll change that. He's recognised that for some the importance of familiarity, order, your people is utmost. That goes against liberalism and globalisation.

[Cerberus]

[Carl Cort's Hamstring]

3 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said:

The left bottled it globally as left parties were dragged so far to the right by cretins like jmo and berwickmad who scream about electability,  this has shown that sanders could have won and so could corbyn.   They'll never back him though as they're cretins who don't even have left views and are horrified when confronted with them.  That's why you get weapons like dugdale calling herself a socialist,  and the labour party abstaining en masse on things like welfare reform, trident ad Yemen last week.  The left needs to grow some balls and unashamedly promote left wing values and policies , not pander to swing voters requiring them to dilute their very essence on the altar of electability, which,  as it turns out isn't even electable anyway and the values they are running away from in horror are electable and would engender real positive change. 

I don't see any reason why the right candidate with Corbyn's ideals and policies at heart (although Trident might be a killer) couldn't win. I remember the BBC doing a survey in safe Tory areas, and most agreed with his policies when asked about them (without being told they were Corbyn ideas).

The problem is Corbyn himself. He doesn't understand how to do politics on a national scale, and it's killing him and Labour. A young, charismatic, politically competent Labour leader with the same policies would be battering the Tories at the moment.

[Poo]

If you think neoliberalism is on a shoe string, then you've completely misread the situation. Watch the division between the haves and have nots go straight through the roof in the coming years.

[Ad Lib]

The last 18 months is an excellent lesson to left-wing idiots everywhere who don't realise what they've got until they've lost it.

Fighting "neoliberalism" (whatever the f**k that is) lets fascists in.

I hope you Tommy Sheridan tribute acts are happy.

[ICTChris]

Fighting "neoliberalism" (whatever the f**k that is) lets fascists in.

Neoliberalism is things I don't like.

[invergowrie arab]

1 hour ago, Poo said:

If you think neoliberalism is on a shoe string, then you've completely misread the situation. Watch the division between the haves and have nots go straight through the roof in the coming years.

Admittedly it is not clear from the OP but it was more about globalisation driven by neoliberal principles rather than the death of neoliberalism in general.

39 minutes ago, Ad Lib said:

 

I hope you Tommy Sheridan tribute acts are happy.

Aye that was me.

Fucking hell, careful what you wish for.

[Peppino Impastato]

It shows if people believe they are offered an alternative to neoliberalism they will embrace it as far too many have been left behind.  Min this case it was someone who isn't a fascist at all that's hysterical trolling nonsense,  but is an undesirable candidate fair enough.   That is not the only type of movement,  you could call it populist nationalism,  anti establishment and reactionary if you want, that could win though.  Sanders could have won last night, corbyn could win in the UK,  an environmentalist could win elsewhere.  People want radical change is all not fascists, trump is just the one that offered it this time. 

 

Carl I think what you say there is part of the problem and really another negative legacy of new labour.   Why does it have to be a slick, charismatic pr type who llooksgood on tTV?   Was trump like that?  

 

ItIis true, and always has been,  that people are extremely supportive of socialist or left wing policies if they don't know that'swwhat they are, many studies have shown that,  but that is profeven more the left can win the aargument if they make it about policy, not charisma or looking good on TV or pandering to the centre.   Win the fuckin aargument that'swwhat the left don't try and do anymore. Show people how they can improve their lives.

 

[dorlomin]

Trump has no economic plans, just slogans. He is a multiple times bankrupt charlatan. Mixing promises of rewinding the economic clock with rewinding the one on the racial mix of America was heady for many. But his slogans do not amount to a credible program for government. 

Perhaps some should wait a couple of years before saying "we should have been doing that". 

 

Slogans are cheap. 

[invergowrie arab]

11 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

It shows if people believe they are offered an alternative to neoliberalism they will embrace it as far too many have been left behind.  Min this case it was someone who isn't a fascist at all that's hysterical trolling nonsense,  but is an undesirable candidate fair enough.   That is not the only type of movement,  you could call it populist nationalism,  anti establishment and reactionary if you want, that could win though.  Sanders could have won last night, corbyn could win in the UK,  an environmentalist could win elsewhere.  People want radical change is all not fascists, trump is just the one that offered it this time. 

 

Show people how they can improve their lives.

 

Thats it though?

What is the actual programme.

Without going completely isolationist, imposing trade tarrifs and limiting freedom of movement how do you bring manufacturing back to the rustbelt? People have been sold a crock of shite.