The Official Former President Trump thread

[carpetmonster]

38 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

I truly believe Bernie was and is the only person who could've beat Trump in this election, as he formed a bridge for those in America disillusioned by the corporate corruption that the Establishment Democrats represent, with Clinton as its mascot. My American friends (all in their early 20s) absolutely loathe Hilary for being the epitome of corruption and the double-faced image associated with the establishment Dems. They view Biden as very much being cut from the Clinton cloth, and the fact that he appears to be suffering from dementia during every media appearance is not instilling in them any more confidence than they were already feeling.

Trump got voted in for three reasons. Reason one was because Trump promised change and people believed him. Reason two was that his message was simple and spreadable. Reason three was that he can play the media like a fiddle.

Most of the time when a politician promises change, nobody believes them because in the public's eyes they see many more exceptions to that rule than evidence of the rule itself. Trump's promise for change was believed because Trump was a change from the standard politician. He wasn't the reserved, awkward intellectual who tried to grasp your attention with logic and carefully constructed messages. Trump is a man who speaks his mind, without regard for what is said about his views. While definitely not an honest man, his outbursts showed honesty that no establishment politician would ever dare to show for fear of the backlash. Trump had the benefit of people knowing his personality due to years of appearances in the media. His approach and style was so different to all of his opposition that it brought for many Americans an air of change, of someone different than every carbon-copy politician stood aside him. Somehow, the billionaire asshole was now the most relatable person in the room for many blue-collar yanks (particularly in the south no doubt), as he spoke his mind and kept his message simple. His frequent attacks and mocking of his opponents was also relatable, as he called them out for what he saw them as, and people lapped it up. His insults of Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Clinton are very memorable, and his average voter base would love every moment of it as it's what they wanted to do.

It is evident now that all of Trump's most outrageous claims while on the campaign trail were largely nothing-burgers, and were merely ways of riling up his core voting base (the white American south) during the primaries, before he turned to a more moderate and inclusive rhetoric in the later stages of the election, whilst also focusing his argument against Clinton. Let's talk about the wall for example, since Trump's campaign seemed synonymous with it. Many Americans don't like the thought of immigrants coming in and taking their jobs, it has been well established. Mexico is easily the biggest problem zone associated with this issue, and while there are many ways politicians can discuss their ideas about sorting out the immigration problem through diplomacy and sanctions and what have you, nothing is more striking and memorable than BUILD A WALL. Trump created these simple phrases that stuck in your mind and were easy to recall whenever you thought about the issues discussed. All good politicians can use simple slogans to build a successful campaign out of, and Trump was the best at it. From the promises to the nicknames (Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hilary are still used, as well as 'Fake News'), to the campaign slogan itself, Make America Great Again. Such simple messages are usually the most profound, and you can't lie and say you don't still remember at least some of them used. People are generally stupid and don't really think about politics, and usually only notice broad strokes and not the fine details. Whenever politicians like Hilary try to be clever, they end up saying lines that are overcomplicated and very unlikely to be remembered for more than a few minutes. Trump does this naturally because in some aspects he's a huge idiot, but he's also a genius at playing to the crowd.

As Eric Bischoff put it, "controversy creates cash", and Trump is the king of controversy. Trump knows better than anyone the way media loves to jump onto controversies, as they are naturally fascinating to people. People love to either really get behind him or to really get mad at him for the things he does and says. The reason that until the COVID-19 pandemic Trump had been on CNN almost non-stop for 5 straight years was entirely due to this. Regardless if you loved him or you hated him, you gave a shit about what he was talking about and it gave you a reaction. People who loved what they heard flocked to Fox News and other right-wing media outlets, and people who were appalled with what he said flocked to CNN and left-wing outlets to hear them lambast him. Trump was talked about so much during that last election, that barely any focus was held on any of the other candidates, even Hilary to an extent. His brevity and impactfulness also helped him on the internet, where I really think he one the election in. Meme culture was so advanced on the internet by 2016, and Trump was unbelievably memeable. Memes are the political satire cartoons of the age, and such outspoken political memes were created by those on the internet who promoted free speech and created with no filter, as well as embracing chaos (e.g. alt-right folk on 4chan). Meme culture is a massive source of propaganda now, and the alt-right rule the roost in that area.

If anything, the American public is even more sick of establishment politicians in 2020 than they were in 2016. People still want change because they always want change. No serious Democratic nominees aside from Bernie even remotely looked like changing anything, and in turn were all symbols of the establishment. The reason I think Bernie would beat Trump is because Bernie is the closest to Trump in terms of believability. People who think Biden will beat Trump are the people who only focus on how much they hate Trump. People who think Bernie would beat Trump are thinking about the change that society wants, but at a different angle. Bernie's Medicare For All promises were the same as Trump's Build a Wall. I'm not saying Medicare For All wouldn't have been implemented under Bernie, but it's the same as the wall as it's something important and memorable to his core audience. Bernie doesn't sound like an establishment politician, he speaks in his own unique manner and captivates his audience. Bernie is controversial in much the same way that Trump is in the media, but in the inverse direction. Both men are seen as mavericks who are looking to upset the establishment and bring something new. If you read any of Trump's discussions on both the 2016 and 2020 Democratic primaries, he consistently states that he's much more worried about facing off against Bernie than Hilary or Biden. This is because Bernie's approach resembles Trump's far more than the others, and this approach has made him similarly very popular on the internet, where the majority of vocal left-wing support are Sanders supporters. Many alt-righters and undecideds (including many of my American friends), were supporting Bernie the whole way through both elections. Now he's out again though, they're upset and at least some will either vote for Trump or a third-party candidate. Biden doesn't inspire hope in them near as much as Bernie does, and the real crux of this election, much like the last, is who people hate the least. Many people hate Trump, but more people hate the establishment, of which Biden is essentially just a puppet for. All hope is lost etc.

Sorry about that. Intended to write a short thing but ended up rambling about my entire philosophy about Trump and how he's likely to win again. Thank f**k things are simpler in Scotland, only one party worth voting for imo.

If anything, the American public is even more sick of establishment politicians in 2020 than they were in 2016. - I don't think this is true. The Governors who have shone (or shone via their approval ratings taking an upward tilt at any rate) during the current crisis - Cuomo, Inslee, Newsom, Pritzker, Beshear - are very much centrist Democrats, with DeWine being the Republican joining. 

 

 If you read any of Trump's discussions on both the 2016 and 2020 Democratic primaries, he consistently states that he's much more worried about facing off against Bernie than Hilary or Biden.  - Trump is not noted for honesty. If he wasn't worried about Biden, why the Ukraine calls? Why does he still have toadies like Ron Johnson trying to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden?

 

Many alt-righters and undecideds (including many of my American friends), were supporting Bernie the whole way through both elections. Now he's out again though, they're upset and at least some will either vote for Trump or a third-party candidate - nobody alt-right was voting for Bernie. Or Biden. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by carpetmonster

[doulikefish]

Trump has a scapegoat quelle surprise

[Savage Henry]

Donald Trump broke multiple laws, saw nine of his administration go to prison, and was impeached over not having to facing Joe Biden.  He's scared of Biden. He'd have loved it if he were running off against Sanders.  Sanders is absolutely my guy in terms of policy change, but this election is not about radical policy change; 2024 can be for that.  2020 is about removing a genuinely deranged halfwit from office, and repealing the most malicious of his policies.

Just as yesterday's press conference was batshit mental, today's was just sad.  "Powerful letters" all over the place.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1250185692631580672?s=20

 

[cyderspaceman]

8 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

Surely this guy is impossible to re-elect.

Surely the nation will look at this tool and go 'hooooo boy, we made a c**t of letting him in. Time to vote the other guy'

This isn't even about party politics, it's now got to be a case of ending the reckless decision of letting a complete and utter fucking narcissistic, mentalist, incapable moron run a global superpower.

IMO  he will still command the support that elected him. They like this crap. They lap it up.    There won't be a challenge from another Republican either.

 

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The Republican National Convention said the Republican Party is firmly behind Trump and "any effort to challenge the president's nomination is bound to go absolutely nowhere", prompting criticism that Republican leaders are making it impossible for another candidate to succeed. 

Barron is our only hope. . .

[supermik]

Have heard that the French Air Force have offered him a back seat flight in one of their old fighter planes if he wins the next election.

Also.

https://apple.news/ATCsr9UdZQxKAVgGV8oHA3A

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by supermik

[carpetmonster]

49 minutes ago, supermik said:

Have heard that the French Air Force have offered him a back seat flight in one of their old fighter planes if he wins the next election.

Also.

https://apple.news/ATCsr9UdZQxKAVgGV8oHA3A

 

Linda McMahon works for a Trump fundraising SuperPAC. It's 'probably' why FL Gov Ron DeSantis exempted WWE from lockdown and called them an essential service. 

[NotThePars]

17 hours ago, Detournement said:

The real issue is Is Barron a giant?

 

He's the Kwisatz Haderach, Barron Atreides.

[Gus2]

Pres Trump is a demagogue waiting to happen the man-child will set international relations back to the 1920s America is becoming more and more isolated on the international stage because of his actions

[Suspect Device]

When I first read this I thought the ego has landed again. he wants his name on everything.

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President Donald Trump’s name will be printed on the economic stimulus checks that will be distributed by the Internal Revenue Service to individuals to help mitigate losses caused by the coronavirus pandemic, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

The addition, which was ordered by the Treasury Department, is expected to delay the delivery of paper checks by several days, according to the Post, which cited unnamed senior agency officials. The phrase “President Donald J. Trump” will be printed in a memo line on the left side of the checks (most will total $1,200 for individuals), below a line that says “Economic Impact Payment.”

After the IRS adjusts its printing technology for this addition, tens of millions of Americans are expected to receive these checks in the mail in the coming weeks.

 

 

But it's not just that. The b*****d is cynically implying that he's paying the money personally. Won't do any harm to his chances if a few idiots think that with an election coming up.

 

They will of course have forgotten that this move actually delayed them getting the money.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Suspect Device

[carpetmonster]

14 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

When I first read this I thought the ego has landed again. he wants his name on everything.

 

 

But it's not just that. The b*****d is cynically implying that he's paying the money personally. 

 

 

I think the strategy is to save federal money because folks won't take a Trump-signed check to the bank out of likelihood of it bouncing. 

[welshbairn]

Apparently Trump doesn't have the power to withhold funds from WHO, only Congress can. He can delay it for 45 days though, in the middle of a fucking global pandemic.

Edited April 15, 2020 by welshbairn

[Savage Henry]

Apparently Trump doesn't have the power to withhold funds from WHO, only Congress can. He can delay it for 45 days though, in the middle of a fucking global pandemic.

In even more pig headed ignorance, Kellyanne Conway thinks Covid-19 means this is the 19th time this pandemic has been identified, and therefore the WHO should have had a cure ready.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

13 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

In even more pig headed ignorance, Kellyanne Conway thinks Covid-19 means this is the 19th time this pandemic has been identified, and therefore the WHO should have had a cure ready.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Holy fuckamole.

[RiG]

35 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

 

America must be the dumbest country on the planet. How can anyone be that stupid?  

[Savage Henry]

America must be the dumbest country on the planet. How can anyone be that stupid?  

Fox News is 24/7 stupidity. It’s quite remarkable.

[welshbairn]

 

[Granny Danger]

4 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

Fox News is 24/7 stupidity. It’s quite remarkable.

 

The term “insults my intelligence” might be overused but it certainly applies to Fox News.  People like Conway are not dumb however, she’s a liar; a professional, politically motivated liar.

Much of the audience will be dumb, many will know in their hearts that they are being fed bullshit but it’s bullshit that they want to believe.  It justifies their behaviour if they can claim their prejudices were supported by a national news network.

[Savage Henry]

 

“It should see pandemics coming.” JFC.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Savage Henry said:

 

“It should see pandemics coming.” JFC.

 

“Instead of wasting their money on research they should have bought a crystal ball, a big, beautiful crystal ball.  They’re made out of glass you know, not everyone knows that but I’ve always known it.  No-one knows more about crystal balls than me”.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

32 minutes ago, RiG said:

America must be the dumbest country on the planet. How can anyone be that stupid?  

Let me tell you a wee story.  Twenty five years ago a film was released entitled 'The Madness Of King George'- it starred the late Nigel Hawthorne.  The original title however had been 'The Madness of George III' until someone had the (very) bright idea that the good folks of inland state America would be mighty confused by this as there had been no George I and George II versions as in the Rocky films.  To use the quote about late President Gerald Ford, we're talking people here who can't walk and chew gum at the same time.